Harvest needs a big nerf for next league.

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stnikolauswagne เขียน:

The whole narrative about people complaining that now others can get to the top is also completely made up, nowhere is anyone complaining about that anywhere, the issue that harvest makes happen is that endgame progression is cut short way earlier than if harvest wasn't around.

Right - and it doesn't take a lot of high level thought to figure out that GGG balance their game around what characters can do. To let Harvest crafting go unchecked in its current state guarantees more monster buffs on the horizon. And that will cement the fact that if you're not trading for Harvest crafts to optimize your gear, you will find your character capping out on the content it can do at lower and lower levels. (Or you'll have to restrict yourself into playing a narrower subset of meta builds to progress to what you're used to doing).

I wish people would stop conflating criticism of the current implementation of Harvest into recurring temp leagues with troll opinions. No serious person thinks Harvest can't possibly be in the game in some form or another. No serious person is saying that Harvest is bad for SSF.

We're talking about what Harvest does to trade league play. It affects everyone that plays in the league. It is printing mirrors. It is an item editor. And that would all be fine but for 2 things:

1. The process is so reliable, so simple for so many items, and so fool-proof (can't 'brick' your item like many other past systems that have been used to craft the best stuff), and so common (yes, common when you factor in trading) that it's hard to believe the current system's consequences are intentional. Especially in the context of how rare mirrors are.

If past mirror drop rates are to be our guide for how many perfect items are acceptable for early in a trade league, Valdo's Rest and even more so Harvest crafting are in for big changes.

2. The nonsense of a system in which the best items to be had in an ARPG are white item bases laying on the ground that you pick up and take to a series of 20 hideouts and toss over the item to a stranger along with a truckload of currency while you cross your fingers and hope they trade you your item back.

To the previous poster:
That is not a problem. Harvest is quite rare, which makes it absolutely fine for solo players. POE is mostly a solo game. Taking into account trading: the market will bring the balance. If harvest crafting is so incredibly good, it will cost multiple exalts to trade. So in the end no problem at all. Trading automatically creates a balance. But for those who do not want to trade, they still have a better chance to craft themselves deterministically. People wanted that as the original crafting system of POE was way too random. That's why it came back.

Also Harvest by itself is not printing mirrors. The rarity of a mirror (doubling items) cannot be compared with it. A mirror is way more powerful than having the chance of a good craft.

By the way, I would like to compare a POE league with a league of diablo 2. The target of a league has to be to attract the most players. If only 1% progress to the endgame, complain about the brutal way of crafting, etc., something is going wrong. In a league of diablo 2, people get the required gear very soon. They finish their builds during the league, even if they don't play 10h/day. I argue this is a better system, and POE has been going more into that direction lately, which is good for the game.

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Dan1986 เขียน:

To the previous poster:
POE is mostly a solo game.

You all can keep telling yourselves that, but don't claim that GGG balances around your solo experience. They don't. You can pine for keeping Harvest as-is all you like, it's going to affect you a lot more than you realize, and not in a good way when they multiply monster hp and damage again.

The fact that people think Harvest crafts level the playing field between average players and elite is abso-fucking-lutely hilarious. Big name streamers partway through Harvest League put it like this:

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We only need 3.5/10 gear to beat the hardest content in this game. Harvest is giving us 13/10 gear.

You want Harvest as is? You're gonna see monster damage and hp buffed by 5x. Then you'll see top end skills and ascendancies nerfed again. Then when you're unable to connect the dots as to why 'stupid GGG' is making their game so hard you're going to rage quit.

I am curious as to what your best character is though mister private profile. I find it very likely that you (along with many other posters here) are talking way out of their depth on this issue.

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Dan1986 เขียน:

To the previous poster:
That is not a problem. Harvest is quite rare, which makes it absolutely fine for solo players. POE is mostly a solo game. Taking into account trading: the market will bring the balance. If harvest crafting is so incredibly good, it will cost multiple exalts to trade. So in the end no problem at all. Trading automatically creates a balance. But for those who do not want to trade, they still have a better chance to craft themselves.

Well w/e the case is you can keep thinking like that it's likely to be nerfed for sure it is the strongest aspect of the game like we my as well just be path of harvest. You ignore everything else because harvest is that strong like 200% more stronger then everything regardless of what you think of the whole WHAAA ELITISTTTTTTT it won't change a thing.

GGG doesn't like it when one aspect just literally shits on everything.

It will be nerfed and you will probably make a thread about it GIVE BACK MY HARVEST I DESERVE TO BE GOOD AS THIS PERSON :(

Harvest makes me wanna puke.

Lets say i wanna craft a nice mana recovery belt.

Either i spend a shit ton of currency trying to get it. Probably an amount i would never achieve in a single league.

Or i can go on TFT discord, spend about 4 exalts craft something like that :



Basically risk vs reward has a whole new meaning with harvest and discord :

You take the risk of getting scammed but the reward is an insane item you feel you don't deserve cause you barely even worked toward earning it.

Harvest makes me lose interest so much in the game. Especially with harvest regions in the atlas that makes you feel guilty if you run other regions :

Should i run other regions to spawn a difficult boss or just spam harvest regions without any risk and with 10 times the rewards? What's the use for all the other content in the game when one content puts them all to shame?

Harvest is killing POE, theres no way it goes unnoticed by GGG. Have fun at it while it last cause it will either be gone next league or heavily nerfed, thankfully.

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I_NO เขียน:

Well w/e the case is you can keep thinking like that it's likely to be nerfed for sure it is the strongest aspect of the game like we my as well just be path of harvest. You ignore everything else because harvest is that strong like 200% more stronger then everything regardless of what you think of the whole WHAAA ELITISTTTTTTT it won't change a thing.

GGG doesn't like it when one aspect just literally shits on everything.

It will be nerfed and you will probably make a thread about it GIVE BACK MY HARVEST I DESERVE TO BE GOOD AS THIS PERSON :(

Oh it will be nerfed cause "I_NO" says so? What are the odds? I am already shivering in anxiety. But in any case I will certainly not make a thread.

But in the meantime you keep whining cause you cannot sell pixels for real money anymore :(((
And Harvest is alive and well :)))

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Dan1986 เขียน:

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I_NO เขียน:

Well w/e the case is you can keep thinking like that it's likely to be nerfed for sure it is the strongest aspect of the game like we my as well just be path of harvest. You ignore everything else because harvest is that strong like 200% more stronger then everything regardless of what you think of the whole WHAAA ELITISTTTTTTT it won't change a thing.

GGG doesn't like it when one aspect just literally shits on everything.

It will be nerfed and you will probably make a thread about it GIVE BACK MY HARVEST I DESERVE TO BE GOOD AS THIS PERSON :(

Oh it will be nerfed cause "I_NO" says so? What are the odds? I am already shivering in anxiety. But in any case I will certainly not make a thread.

But in the meantime you keep whining cause you cannot sell pixels for real money anymore :(((
And Harvest is alive and well :)))

Alright don't say I didn't warn you lol

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innervation เขียน:

I am curious as to what your best character is though mister private profile. I find it very likely that you (along with many other posters here) are talking way out of their depth on this issue.

Listen very carefully, my profile is none of your business. I couldnt care less about your curiosity. Anyone here is qualified to talk about the game. It's certainly not YOU alone.

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Dan1986 เขียน:

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innervation เขียน:

I am curious as to what your best character is though mister private profile. I find it very likely that you (along with many other posters here) are talking way out of their depth on this issue.

Listen very carefully, my profile is none of your business. I couldnt care less about your curiosity. Anyone here is qualified to talk about the game. It's certainly not YOU alone.

Oh ok so you have no experience with the subject matter whatsoever, you're just fumbling around in the dark hoping to be taken seriously.

Inexperienced, unqualified, under-informed - way out of your depth. It's certainly your business to have an opinion. Now that you've outed yourself it's our business to not take you seriously (:

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Gulch เขียน:

And this matters how? If people have the best chest piece in the game possible by day 2 how does that affect you or I?
Answer: It doesn't.
If people craft gear that makes them immortal, how does that affect you or I? It doesn't.
Every league there are people that can kill bosses in .2 seconds or stand in the Sirus storms, why should we care? I play the game for me, I don't play it worrying about what other people have or have achieved and bitch about it on the forums.

If these people can use whatever the league gives them and take full advantage of it...let them. People that complain about what other people have every league is plain dumb.

People explained this u dont want to listen. Anything too good too easy gets the hammer because its bad for trade economy and player retention. The whole point is the struggle otherwise we'd just sit in standard with mirror/legacy gear and roll everything. TFT Discord takes away the struggle.


Anyway enjoy it while it lasts.. I am. I got 6 items i'm working on 6 T1s. Little slower than TFT because I put SSF cockblock on but I'll get there.