Anyone know exactly how Tangletongue works?

Just wondering how the Forking Crit mod works.

I mean it would be awesome if my friend is right, he reckons you only need 100% Crit chance and you basically have double your Crit Bonus. I have a feeling however that the second Crit needs more Chance to be successful (and if so how much Crit to cap it?).

With it being so easy to get Crit Cap with 25% (26% if you take the passive from tree) base, I really can't see it being so simple/easy.

Anyone know?

Edited title cos I'm a mong.

Note, I have no personal experience with the spear, and this is purely based off research.

It works by rolling all crits twice, and applying each result. So it inherently is doubling the amount of criticals you get. In the case of double crit, it is 'only' adding your critical bonus a second time, so if you have 200% Crit Bonus, and 50 Damage, it would look like;

No Crit: 50 Damage.
Single Crit: 100 Damage.
Double Crit: 200 Damage.

Yea I know, I get that, I am just wondering if being Crit Capped, like I have 100% chance to Crit, does that mean I Crit twice? Or does the second Crit need more? Mainly asking cos in the skill screen it says Estimated Second crit is 25% lower than my 1st Estimated crit chance :P

I am actually 114.34% Chance to Crit, cos I am thinking I need 25% over for Forking Crits to be capped :s

This be why I am trying to find out, so I can get closer to 100% etc

A crit cannot crit twice.

Having more than 100% does nothing to the crit bonus.

Only thing it would affect is if enemies have a "reduced chance to be critically hit" which im not sure actually exists. (I know there's a all hits cannot be crits on expedition)

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Terminalz#1305 เขียน:

Yea I know, I get that, I am just wondering if being Crit Capped, like I have 100% chance to Crit, does that mean I Crit twice? Or does the second Crit need more? Mainly asking cos in the skill screen it says Estimated Second crit is 25% lower than my 1st Estimated crit chance :P

You have an 86% chance to crit on a normal roll but you get to roll twice.

You have a 98% chance for one of those two rolls to be a crit and a 74% chance for them to both be a crit which will then double your crit bonus. That is just standard probability math.

That next line of estimated chance to crit from 85% to 126% is where it gets complicated. The top crit number is just your normal chance to crit like with any normal character using a normal weapon. But you are getting an additional chance to crit based on your chance to hit which is based on accuracy vs the monster evasion. That is unknown and further effected by distance. You will almost always have a better than your base chance of 86% to crit. The only way you would not, would be an extreme case where like you are blind, debuffed, the monster is super evasion, and off the screen distance. In that case you are not going to hit it anyways.

But what it all boils down to in most cases, you probably already have a 100% chance to crit and are critting every time and are getting double crit bonus. You need to work on your crit bonus more than your crit chance.

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Northern_Ronin#6465 เขียน:

No Crit: 50 Damage.
Single Crit: 100 Damage.
Double Crit: 200 Damage.

Those figures are correct for a crit Bonus of 100%, which means you double the current damage for the roll.

Step by step with a Bonus of 300%:

- Roll Damage (D)
- Roll Crit
- if successful, D += D * 300%
- Roll Crit again
- if successful, D += D * 300%

And this is what makes TT so powerful, if you land a 2nd crit, it applies over the damage that includes the 1st crit, so it's actually exponential.

In other words, a double crit is NOT
D * (100% + 300% + 300%)

This would be a 7x mult, and it'd be pretty sweet regardless.

Instead, it's actually insane:

D * (100% + 300%) * (100% + 300%)

which in this case is a 16x mult.

If you successfully crit, it rolls your crit chance again. If the second roll is also a crit, your crit damage bonus is doubled.

If you reach 100% crit chance, your crit damage multi is 2x.

Stupid item lol.

You are NOT crit capped

If you were, it would say:

Main Hand critical hit chance 100%
Main Hand effective chance for twice-critical hit 100%
Main Hand critical damage bonus 506%

Then you would always have a 100% chance to crit twice

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kell_pt#7882 เขียน:

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Northern_Ronin#6465 เขียน:

No Crit: 50 Damage.
Single Crit: 100 Damage.
Double Crit: 200 Damage.

Those figures are correct for a crit Bonus of 100%, which means you double the current damage for the roll.

Step by step with a Bonus of 300%:

- Roll Damage (D)
- Roll Crit
- if successful, D += D * 300%
- Roll Crit again
- if successful, D += D * 300%

And this is what makes TT so powerful, if you land a 2nd crit, it applies over the damage that includes the 1st crit, so it's actually exponential.

In other words, a double crit is NOT
D * (100% + 300% + 300%)

This would be a 7x mult, and it'd be pretty sweet regardless.

Instead, it's actually insane:

D * (100% + 300%) * (100% + 300%)

which in this case is a 16x mult.

Wrong. It just applies the Bonus damage twice, if both rolls succeed. It's rolled twice, but applied once. If it were your way, you'd deal double damage with 'defy' all the time while surrounded.