The problem with the vision - too many buttons will get you killed

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Legioona#1076 เขียน:

TLDR: any build that requires 3+ buttons is a death sentence, but more buttons can be rewarded with OP damage, as long as the 0-2 buttons builds clear well enough.


For background, I've played three HC SSF characters to maps now in 0.3

Zero button - archer minion witch (unfolding dawn + carrion call -> pretty much afk gaming until lvl 80)

One button - Ember fusillage SRS darkflame sorcerer (before ember & nova projectiles was nerfed - most fun of the 3)

1-2 button - lightning arrow + regular attack (for single target damage) deadeye -> in practice this is still one button, as its either or button. I didn't like this one really, as I tried evasion + ES, and it was still rippy for my taste.

Maps are quite meh in HC SSF, so even if one of the above is still alive (although had to change from blackflame -> contagion), I started a new one: a lightning sorcerer.

I had the items to steamroll all the way to Jamanra with spark only (and killed Jamanra with it, but that was far from steamroll as the damage isn't there against his resistances), but during act 2 I also tried using orb of storms and arc just to try the infusion damage out, and it's quite impressive.

So far so good, usually 1-2 buttons, 3 with rares, doable. But waiting for the orb of storms to cook the infusion is boring, so decided to create them with lightning warp instead.

Now, I'm overwhelmed - first I need to damage the mob, then blow it up, then use arc, which I also have to aim it for to hit (this is not needed for minions or ember fusillage, they auto aim).


I know this will get me killed fairly soon, so I'll have to stop doing this. But arc doesn't do enough damage without the infusion, so I'll have to revert to spark only.

Will it do enough damage? Remains to be seen.


So, the infusions are a death sentence, as they require more buttons to be pressed to acquire them and spend them. I'd expect the same for all multiple button combos.

And inb4 "git gud": I'm an immortal level dota player, I know how to click spells, and I probably could do the same in POE if I didn't opt for wasd movement. But wasd movement is so much more convenient in a non-competitive game. On a controller, this wouldn't necessarily be an issue either.


So, my point being: as long as there are plenty of 0-2 button builds in the game that clear well enough, I will most likely keep playing. It's ok if the OP builds require more buttons, I've never gotten that far myself, nor do I need to.

GGG - if I were you, I'd check the data on how many button builds the playerbase prefers, that would be a most interesting piece of information.

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Legioona#1076 เขียน:

And inb4 "git gud": I'm an immortal level dota player, I know how to click spells, and I probably could do the same in POE if I didn't opt for wasd movement.

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Kerchunk#7797 เขียน:

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Legioona#1076 เขียน:

And inb4 "git gud": I'm an immortal level dota player, I know how to click spells, and I probably could do the same in POE if I didn't opt for wasd movement.

You... click spells?

The whole point of wasd is that your hand is naturally there for standard keyboard usage. From wasd you should be able to reach 1234qzxcerfvtgb without moving your hand at all which is enough for 15 keybinds why in the name of St. Christopher would you ever consider clicking your abilities??

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redho#2812 เขียน:

I dont know. It looks like considered most op builds of this season isnt 1 button builds. Deadeye uses 3 skills for bossing, rod for dmg, la to trigger rod, barrage to buff it (might drop barrage with mirror bow not sure i wont reach such heights). White mobs falls from 1 button LA, on rares again you might drop rod. Blood mage fireball uses ember, firebomb to spawn infusions and fireball to proc them, this goes like that on maps and bosses. Spark bloodmage is as op stated just meh single target dmg but spark can be considered 1 button, since other skill is coc. This pharagraph is regarding "combo gameplay" and not clearspeed as called "screen blasting" or something similar. i personally dont think you need to slap more gems to fight bosses, 3 is enough for me.

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stecheese1#0850 เขียน:

I think there is a world where combo based combat can work, but it can't be like this with baked in forced skill synergies. Have a look at the old huntress 2021 gameplay, where disengage was just a zippy backwards dash, an escape skill that could be a useful for survivability and to chain in with all sorts of other skills. Now it's only use is as a charge harvester after a parry, how is that an improvement? The game needs a lot more utility, Mobility and survivability skills that can be used situationally, and naturally weaved in with attacks, that the only way to make it work.

If they keep going in this direction they're Will be a constant fight between the zoomers and the Devs. They'll keep adding more and more cooldowns and conditions, until everyone's playing the "right" way.