Please stop rewarding group play with more drops（every season post this till ggg make changes）

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NE_ChosenOne79#9280 เขียน:

You guys talk like when 6 ppl party get 1 mirror drop that meant they own 6 mirror. The only thing party get more than solo is the TING sound. Bro, if 6 ppl can farm 200d in 8hr a day, Do some math, they only get 4d/h/person. The mirror or the t0 t1 unique they drop is just a big drop in run lol.

Only matter is some ppl use BOT program to do 6ppl party on their own PC. But it only work with breach, and with abyss? Hell nah, if u juicy your abyss enough with risk&reward tablet, those abyss pit gonna eat their BOT in few second.

I run Duo with my friend, 1 carry and 1 Aura buff/curse/rarity and then we find leecher. We play like 4 or 5 our a days farm like 70d in 50map, that meant we only get like 7d/h. Thats even lower than fubgun who solo farming lol

Even 1 mirror is more than some players loot in whole league (while spending at least as much time playing as the group juicers). And 7d/h is still higher than normal play without clearing at mach speed and without MF gear. Fubgun is not a representative measuring stick here.

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NE_ChosenOne79#9280 เขียน:

You guys talk like when 6 ppl party get 1 mirror drop that meant they own 6 mirror. The only thing party get more than solo is the TING sound. Bro, if 6 ppl can farm 200d in 8hr a day, Do some math, they only get 4d/h/person. The mirror or the t0 t1 unique they drop is just a big drop in run lol.

Only matter is some ppl use BOT program to do 6ppl party on their own PC. But it only work with breach, and with abyss? Hell nah, if u juicy your abyss enough with risk&reward tablet, those abyss pit gonna eat their BOT in few second.

I run Duo with my friend, 1 carry and 1 Aura buff/curse/rarity and then we find leecher. We play like 4 or 5 our a days farm like 70d in 50map, that meant we only get like 7d/h. Thats even lower than fubgun who solo farming lol

it is very confused for me to understand your logic.

just explain one thing for me please.

spend one T15 waystone, in a same map, same numbers of monsters

why a 6 memeber team enter and can get 6x more drop and 1 solo player enter only get 1x drop?

you mean you agree that a 6 member team can turn 1 waystone into 6 waystones?

seriously?

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gatsby123#9076 เขียน:

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NE_ChosenOne79#9280 เขียน:

You guys talk like when 6 ppl party get 1 mirror drop that meant they own 6 mirror. The only thing party get more than solo is the TING sound. Bro, if 6 ppl can farm 200d in 8hr a day, Do some math, they only get 4d/h/person. The mirror or the t0 t1 unique they drop is just a big drop in run lol.

Only matter is some ppl use BOT program to do 6ppl party on their own PC. But it only work with breach, and with abyss? Hell nah, if u juicy your abyss enough with risk&reward tablet, those abyss pit gonna eat their BOT in few second.

I run Duo with my friend, 1 carry and 1 Aura buff/curse/rarity and then we find leecher. We play like 4 or 5 our a days farm like 70d in 50map, that meant we only get like 7d/h. Thats even lower than fubgun who solo farming lol

it is very confused for me to understand your logic.

just explain one thing for me please.

spend one T15 waystone, in a same map, same numbers of monsters

why a 6 memeber team enter and can get 6x more drop and 1 solo player enter only get 1x drop?

you mean you agree that a 6 member team can turn 1 waystone into 6 waystones?

seriously?

Are you sure same map same number? Do you juicy your waystone? Do you invest 1d per map to run ? Do you spend 70ex to Grand vision tablet per tower to find corrupted spot to farm? Do you?

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Echothesis#7320 เขียน:

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NE_ChosenOne79#9280 เขียน:

You guys talk like when 6 ppl party get 1 mirror drop that meant they own 6 mirror. The only thing party get more than solo is the TING sound. Bro, if 6 ppl can farm 200d in 8hr a day, Do some math, they only get 4d/h/person. The mirror or the t0 t1 unique they drop is just a big drop in run lol.

Only matter is some ppl use BOT program to do 6ppl party on their own PC. But it only work with breach, and with abyss? Hell nah, if u juicy your abyss enough with risk&reward tablet, those abyss pit gonna eat their BOT in few second.

I run Duo with my friend, 1 carry and 1 Aura buff/curse/rarity and then we find leecher. We play like 4 or 5 our a days farm like 70d in 50map, that meant we only get like 7d/h. Thats even lower than fubgun who solo farming lol

Even 1 mirror is more than some players loot in whole league (while spending at least as much time playing as the group juicers). And 7d/h is still higher than normal play without clearing at mach speed and without MF gear. Fubgun is not a representative measuring stick here.

Mean while ritual farming is 10d+/hr without MF gear on solo farming, u guys just dont know how to juic map and what to farm lol. Stop whining and keep grinding

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NE_ChosenOne79#9280 เขียน:

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Echothesis#7320 เขียน:

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NE_ChosenOne79#9280 เขียน:

You guys talk like when 6 ppl party get 1 mirror drop that meant they own 6 mirror. The only thing party get more than solo is the TING sound. Bro, if 6 ppl can farm 200d in 8hr a day, Do some math, they only get 4d/h/person. The mirror or the t0 t1 unique they drop is just a big drop in run lol.

Only matter is some ppl use BOT program to do 6ppl party on their own PC. But it only work with breach, and with abyss? Hell nah, if u juicy your abyss enough with risk&reward tablet, those abyss pit gonna eat their BOT in few second.

I run Duo with my friend, 1 carry and 1 Aura buff/curse/rarity and then we find leecher. We play like 4 or 5 our a days farm like 70d in 50map, that meant we only get like 7d/h. Thats even lower than fubgun who solo farming lol

Even 1 mirror is more than some players loot in whole league (while spending at least as much time playing as the group juicers). And 7d/h is still higher than normal play without clearing at mach speed and without MF gear. Fubgun is not a representative measuring stick here.

Mean while ritual farming is 10d+/hr without MF gear on solo farming, u guys just dont know how to juic map and what to farm lol. Stop whining and keep grinding

You have shifted the discussion from solo vs party to grind strategy. Given same strategy and same character, a group will still yield more loot in currency equivalent, because of inflated div/mirror prices.

If group play wasn't op sweatsos and top players would invite leeches, every argument that grup play isn't op is just a bunch of crap

hoho there's a reason people like Empy group up and play with 20-30fps.

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NE_ChosenOne79#9280 เขียน:

You guys talk like when 6 ppl party get 1 mirror drop that meant they own 6 mirror. The only thing party get more than solo is the TING sound. Bro, if 6 ppl can farm 200d in 8hr a day, Do some math, they only get 4d/h/person. The mirror or the t0 t1 unique they drop is just a big drop in run lol.

Only matter is some ppl use BOT program to do 6ppl party on their own PC. But it only work with breach, and with abyss? Hell nah, if u juicy your abyss enough with risk&reward tablet, those abyss pit gonna eat their BOT in few second.

I run Duo with my friend, 1 carry and 1 Aura buff/curse/rarity and then we find leecher. We play like 4 or 5 our a days farm like 70d in 50map, that meant we only get like 7d/h. Thats even lower than fubgun who solo farming lol

Comparing this strategy to one of the best players in the game... Well, not the point of the original post.

Very few players can be in the 7d/h category with organic play, during the first few days into the game. (With RMT, anyone can)

And you clearly play with known people, and not interact with what group finders etc. do. The carry is so strong, that they can "boost" five low lvl characters, who only get the XP. Absolutely, when they drop six divines, they profited six divines, unless one of the leechers snipe one, and get booted immediately for that. And also, keep in mind the "carry" takes ALL of the valuables, not just divines etc.

That previous point alone makes it the only viable strategy to actually keep up with the economy. And it is absolutely ridiculous to have "normal players" to basically automatically be outside of the economy inflation.

With botting in general, I am quite sure I have played with bots, who join in when I set up a public group, with word map in it. This most likely is intentional, that they try to find a legitimate group, where the bot can just accumulate XP and can later be used to boost the owners loot progression.

Group play in general, is way too absurdly profitable way to play the trade league, when compared to solo.

I am not sure how it could be balanced, because all methods have positives and negatives. I personally would prefer to have the solo play greatly more profitable, but even that has the obvious downside, that the legitimate group of 6 would lose on that deal, if they would be more profitable by running 6 solo plays.

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mikeab79#3627 เขียน:

I like how people act like every group is optimized. When I play with my friends, my pace is slowed down quite a bit. Having to wait for people in town/hideout and everyone to be ready at the same time. If not everyone is geared well, the HP increase of the monsters can become an issue, so your relatively low geared characters can't do what you're suggesting.

Although, if they do decide to remove any benefits of group play, they should remove single player advantages as well. Like the ability to pause the game and avoid death. The ability to see what's going on without multiple other players spells/attacks going off. Getting the item that drops is great in single player, racing to get that divine that dropped before someone else does isn't fun.

Timmie, I think you missed the picture completely, and probably the poster as well, the issue isn't multiplayer, it is what is known as culling or running an optimized group with a culler.

This is basically the practice of using Gravebind on a player which has massive rarity and the kills count has his, thus creating massive loot explosions. The problem isn't multiplayer groups, it's the culling strategy, Gravebinds need to go... That's it, nothing more nothing less...

And if you are not using a culler in your group, you are doing it wrong. And yes this is a MASSIVE and unfair possibility against solo players. Promoting team play is one thing, and this is not promoting group play, this is how economies get wrecked, this is how solo time investment is brutally devalued.

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NE_ChosenOne79#9280 เขียน:

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Echothesis#7320 เขียน:

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NE_ChosenOne79#9280 เขียน:

You guys talk like when 6 ppl party get 1 mirror drop that meant they own 6 mirror. The only thing party get more than solo is the TING sound. Bro, if 6 ppl can farm 200d in 8hr a day, Do some math, they only get 4d/h/person. The mirror or the t0 t1 unique they drop is just a big drop in run lol.

Only matter is some ppl use BOT program to do 6ppl party on their own PC. But it only work with breach, and with abyss? Hell nah, if u juicy your abyss enough with risk&reward tablet, those abyss pit gonna eat their BOT in few second.

I run Duo with my friend, 1 carry and 1 Aura buff/curse/rarity and then we find leecher. We play like 4 or 5 our a days farm like 70d in 50map, that meant we only get like 7d/h. Thats even lower than fubgun who solo farming lol

Even 1 mirror is more than some players loot in whole league (while spending at least as much time playing as the group juicers). And 7d/h is still higher than normal play without clearing at mach speed and without MF gear. Fubgun is not a representative measuring stick here.

Mean while ritual farming is 10d+/hr without MF gear on solo farming, u guys just dont know how to juic map and what to farm lol. Stop whining and keep grinding

Don't gaslight people, we both know the problem isn't comparing a 6 man group with solo farming per se, the problem is culling using Gravebinders to have one player stacking massive amounts of rarity and having kills assigned to his rarity level... That's what people are frustrated about from the videos they see... No solo player can match against such setup, hitting the same rarity levels a culler stack would make any build useless.

Thai is a real problem in PoE2 that is gatekeeping solo players in economy, this probably, or at least in my opinion is far more nefast than RMT.

What people deserved is that everyone would group up using culling and trashed the economy and wiped the smiles off some people that think they are too smart.