0.9.6 Patch Notes

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Wittgenstein เขียน:

You can't use a WP until you've been their anyways, so you do "Explore" the map in order to find it... not sure I am following the issue here.

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Mr_Cee เขียน:

Gameplay-wise, it adds no real information to what the old waypoint-list had given (you have seen all unexplored waypoints there), the only single point within this, is that you now get an idea in which direction they come (especially for act 2) - and that is what the change is made for.

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The other point, with the Cave in the old fields, takes one possible surprise out of your first run - I also found it just in a second way through. But, its only marginal different to the side areas in the Mud Flats and the Underground Passage - because of the taller design there is the chance to miss the entrance simply somewhat lower. And, its only an issue until you first find it, after this you know that its there.

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Maybe, they could implement a sequence with an NPC, which talks about something there, and before that talk, its not shown in the map, (even not as missing quest/area)?

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Strill เขียน:

That's not true at all. The old system only showed you that waypoints exist. This system shows you where every map adjacent to one you've been to is, regardless of whether it's required for a quest. I don't want to be shown everything. I want to find it for myself.

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Strill เขียน:

I'm sorry you don't enjoy exploration. No need to ruin it for the rest of us.

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Strill เขียน:

What part of "Exploration is fun" do you not understand?

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Mr_Cee เขียน:

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Strill เขียน:

That's not true at all. The old system only showed you that waypoints exist. This system shows you where every map adjacent to one you've been to is, regardless of whether it's required for a quest. I don't want to be shown everything. I want to find it for myself.

That more information was demanded by a lot of the people, not from me(!) - I also could live with the old system well, but I tried to explain why its no real loss:
1) if you made your first run through normal, you (could) know how the maps are bound.
2) if you use the new map, you see (before your first own exploration) nothing more than that there is one (maybe) quest-related place between forest camp and crosroads (for example). When you found the Cave on your own for the first time, it comes the same. (yes, there is a little bit of loss in surprise, but I call it marginal, and therefor my suggestion to make such things be hinged on some previous effort, like talking to NPC)
3) The directions of the bound areas in act 2 could been taken from the ingame help and the explanations you could get from the quest givers, its only somewhat clearer, more visible now. Thats one point I meaned with "not much information added".

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Strill เขียน:

I'm sorry you don't enjoy exploration. No need to ruin it for the rest of us.

You completely missunderstood my thoughts - I do enjoy very well too, I mostly clear everything for a 100% just to miss nothing! (and for not beeing surprised by an attack from the back) ^^

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Strill เขียน:

What part of "Exploration is fun" do you not understand?

What part of "I try to prevent the map from talking to much" did you not understand? ^^