[3.5] CheeQu's CoC Ice Nova Assassin - Up to 7m Shaper DPS + Amazing Clearspeed [In-Depth Guide]

Hello all, I have been running this build for some time now and I feel like i have min maxed enough for my liking and can share info and answer questions. All content completed easily.

My PoB: https://pastebin.com/MmAwjXzZ





Questions i have gotten in game or questions i see frequently in this forum post:

Loreweave vs Carcass - I have both 6L a good for this build loreweave and a perfect DMG/Life Carcass. The short answer is both are viable the rolls on the loreweave matter a lot more and loreweave is slightly better if boss killing is your focus where as carcass is better at low map farming legions due to the area increase on Vaal Ice Nova.

Is Vaal Ice Nova Worth? I used it for a lot of maps and honestly I feel like it isn't. If you want to farm low tier maps and want it to kill the legion with no effort then sure go for it. That being said you don't need it to clear legions and your 2-2.5ex increased cost over 21/23 regular ice nova can go somewhere else.

You don't have CDR and your only using one spell aren't you losing Casts?
I don't want to short answer this because its asked a lot. At 7.55 APS I am losing potential casts from my chest but the damage is already extreme overkill. And mind you that weakening my ice nova's casts and diluting half my CoC casts with a second spell that is not ice nova it is a damage loss.

-----------Examples-----------
Current set up 7.55 APS one spell:
Cap 6.67 casts per second 6.67 x 492k = 3,281k dps
Two spells: (ice nova 329k + Arc 201k) Lets do arc since i see multiple people here run it.
Avg spell cast 265k x 7.55 = 2,000k
You can argue to use a cold spell or a stronger spell in general
Two spells: (double ice nova)
329k x 7.55 = 2,549k
In conclusion the only result that could give me more DPS would be to gain CDR on my belt which would most likely make me drop the stygian vise losing the hypnotic jewels damage and losing significant life.

Which brings me to why do i use point blank? I experimented with a lot in this slot and ultimately decided:
Ice Nova - More consistent life leech but with a Disc Watchers eye it doesnt matter.
Onslaught - Decent for clear speed (through movement speed) but low to no value on bosses (you could get boss value if you have 2 gems in your chest through the ATK speed)
Culling Strike - Just more boss damage which is what i lean towards when choices seem low value.

CWDT set up - For awhile I was using what i believe to be the standard here CWDT 1 - Frost bomb 10 - ICall 3 - Golem 3, but this was bugging me for awhile because golem and IC just feel so low value. Recently i dropped immortal call and the golem moved some of my gems around removed unbound ailments from vortex and that allows me to add enlighten to Disc/Enfeeble, add Vaal Molten shell + Molten shell into CWDT and run precision. I havent been doing this long but i feel like its a huge boost to survival with molten shell and vaal molten shell.


If anyone has other questions you can feel free to hit me up and ill respond or answer to this post.


Edit: Replaced Point blank with Culling strike same reasoning damage is overkill so lack of any options that matter so went for convenience.

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crushedguava เขียน:

I was going to pull specific things out of your post to quote to but it was a lot so apologies for not quoting what im refrencing.

Firstly Yes your APS info in regards to CDR is correct however. Why nerf you APS just because your not getting all your procs. You said about using slower cospris. Even if you are over the trigger APS just use the cospri's with the highest cold damage to spells. If you are way over the APS you can just put in a second gem for CoC to trigger.

The part about Lycosidae, Just use a tempered mind jewel it will give you 100% chance to hit and a crafted offhand is a lot more dps. For example my shaper ice nova avg hit is 491k if i remove my stat stick sword i lose 170k.

Lastly for me MOTM unnatural is worth it but like you said your not an assassin and i am so that comes down to available skill points.

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Deonix_ เขียน:

I saved up the currency, I want to upgrade the build. Need more damage, more survival. What to upgrade next? Budget 20-30ex.

My gear:

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Drop lyconsidae you can get 100% hit chance with tempered mind its a 1 chaos jewel the cheap replacement is a second cospri's the not so cheap replacement is a rare sword with the temple penetrates cold res mod crafted with spell damage and crit multi.



Craft some gloves the base with damage against chilled enemies mine costed me 3ex 120c with base and to fully craft.


beyond that you could craft a better elder ring with mana cost and damage.

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The1ULost2 เขียน:

Hello all, I have been running this build for some time now and I feel like i have min maxed enough for my liking and can share info and answer questions. All content completed easily.

My PoB: https://pastebin.com/MmAwjXzZ

สปอยล์

Questions i have gotten in game or questions i see frequently in this forum post:

Loreweave vs Carcass - I have both 6L a good for this build loreweave and a perfect DMG/Life Carcass. The short answer is both are viable the rolls on the loreweave matter a lot more and loreweave is slightly better if boss killing is your focus where as carcass is better at low map farming legions due to the area increase on Vaal Ice Nova.

Is Vaal Ice Nova Worth? I used it for a lot of maps and honestly I feel like it isn't. If you want to farm low tier maps and want it to kill the legion with no effort then sure go for it. That being said you don't need it to clear legions and your 2-2.5ex increased cost over 21/23 regular ice nova can go somewhere else.

You don't have CDR and your only using one spell aren't you losing Casts?
I don't want to short answer this because its asked a lot. At 7.55 APS I am losing potential casts from my chest but the damage is already extreme overkill. And mind you that weakening my ice nova's casts and diluting half my CoC casts with a second spell that is not ice nova it is a damage loss.

-----------Examples-----------
Current set up 7.55 APS one spell:
Cap 6.67 casts per second 6.67 x 492k = 3,281k dps
Two spells: (ice nova 329k + Arc 201k) Lets do arc since i see multiple people here run it.
Avg spell cast 265k x 7.55 = 2,000k
You can argue to use a cold spell or a stronger spell in general
Two spells: (double ice nova)
329k x 7.55 = 2,549k
In conclusion the only result that could give me more DPS would be to gain CDR on my belt which would most likely make me drop the stygian vise losing the hypnotic jewels damage and losing significant life.

Which brings me to why do i use point blank? I experimented with a lot in this slot and ultimately decided:
Ice Nova - More consistent life leech but with a Disc Watchers eye it doesnt matter.
Onslaught - Decent for clear speed (through movement speed) but low to no value on bosses (you could get boss value if you have 2 gems in your chest through the ATK speed)
Point blank - Just more boss damage which is what i lean towards when choices seem low value.

CWDT set up - For awhile I was using what i believe to be the standard here CWDT 1 - Frost bomb 10 - ICall 3 - Golem 3, but this was bugging me for awhile because golem and IC just feel so low value. Recently i dropped immortal call and the golem moved some of my gems around removed unbound ailments from vortex and that allows me to add enlighten to Disc/Enfeeble, add Vaal Molten shell + Molten shell into CWDT and run precision. I havent been doing this long but i feel like its a huge boost to survival with molten shell and vaal molten shell.


If anyone has other questions you can feel free to hit me up and ill respond or answer to this post.

Does point blank work with spells? I thought it only works with attacks.

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z0ne เขียน:

Does point blank work with spells? I thought it only works with attacks.

Hmmm, too early to login right now for me but i believe it says projectiles i thought it was just the passive that specified attacks. But you could be right which just goes to show how little that gem slot doesnt matter if you are lol.

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Does point blank work with spells? I thought it only works with attacks.

only attack can check in pob.

So with 14% ICRS and 7.5 APS means you are also casting your CoC spells 7.5 times per second as well?

How Does this change if you go to 15 APS? What happens if you put a 2nd spell gem into your 6L CoC?

How does 15 APS affect the spells proccing in your cospri(s)?

What changes when dual wielding cospris? Do you want to use 2 spell gems in cospris at 15aps as well?

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ClakeyD เขียน:

So with 14% ICRS and 7.5 APS means you are also casting your CoC spells 7.5 times per second as well?

yes, I am unsure if PoE rounds your CDR but the math would be .15 / 1.14 = .13157 (This is where it could go multiple ways if they round up or down) but assuming they dont round 1 / .13157 = 7.6 casts per second if only one gem.

How Does this change if you go to 15 APS?

What happens if you put a 2nd spell gem into your 6L CoC? Each spell has a .15 second cooldown that rotates so doubling your max casts per second.

How does 15 APS affect the spells proccing in your cospri(s)?

The same way as in your chest they rotate with a .15 sec cooldown after each proc

What changes when dual wielding cospris? Do you want to use 2 spell gems in cospris at 15aps as well?

Its my understanding the APS of cyclone is counting both weapons and rotating each hit between your hands so for one cospri you divide your APS by 2

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The1ULost2 เขียน:

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ClakeyD เขียน:

So with 14% ICRS and 7.5 APS means you are also casting your CoC spells 7.5 times per second as well?

yes, I am unsure if PoE rounds your CDR but the math would be .15 / 1.14 = .13157 (This is where it could go multiple ways if they round up or down) but assuming they dont round 1 / .13157 = 7.6 casts per second if only one gem.

How Does this change if you go to 15 APS?

What happens if you put a 2nd spell gem into your 6L CoC? Each spell has a .15 second cooldown that rotates so doubling your max casts per second.

How does 15 APS affect the spells proccing in your cospri(s)?

The same way as in your chest they rotate with a .15 sec cooldown after each proc

What changes when dual wielding cospris? Do you want to use 2 spell gems in cospris at 15aps as well?

Its my understanding the APS of cyclone is counting both weapons and rotating each hit between your hands so for one cospri you divide your APS by 2

So does this mean if my cyclone APS is 15 it is ideal to use 2 spell gems in my 6L CoC to maximize spell casts?

Also assuming if it rotates that means each cospri is actually at 7.5 APS which means the weapons themselves are hitting the max casts per second with 1 spell gem?

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ClakeyD เขียน:

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The1ULost2 เขียน:

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ClakeyD เขียน:

So with 14% ICRS and 7.5 APS means you are also casting your CoC spells 7.5 times per second as well?

yes, I am unsure if PoE rounds your CDR but the math would be .15 / 1.14 = .13157 (This is where it could go multiple ways if they round up or down) but assuming they dont round 1 / .13157 = 7.6 casts per second if only one gem.

How Does this change if you go to 15 APS?

What happens if you put a 2nd spell gem into your 6L CoC? Each spell has a .15 second cooldown that rotates so doubling your max casts per second.

How does 15 APS affect the spells proccing in your cospri(s)?

The same way as in your chest they rotate with a .15 sec cooldown after each proc

What changes when dual wielding cospris? Do you want to use 2 spell gems in cospris at 15aps as well?

Its my understanding the APS of cyclone is counting both weapons and rotating each hit between your hands so for one cospri you divide your APS by 2

So does this mean if my cyclone APS is 15 it is ideal to use 2 spell gems in my 6L CoC to maximize spell casts?

Also assuming if it rotates that means each cospri is actually at 7.5 APS which means the weapons themselves are hitting the max casts per second with 1 spell gem?

You talking bout 15 aps like it is nothing to reach, but u must trade your soul to CW in order to do so. :) I had my 14.49 aps only with faster attacks gem. U can reach 15 by throwing in some nice att spd jewels, items or crafting those mode while focussed on gloves. But doing so u loose too much dmg (1-2 jewels, 2 supports from chest, about 6 dmg nodes on a tree).
In total, your calculation is ok. 15 aps, 2 spells in chest, 2 spells in rapier, if one handed, 1 spell each rapier if dualwield cospri's. Max castrate.