(3.14) Toxic Rain + Caustic Arrow | 5-10m Sirus DPS | Fast + Durable | 50c Budget/SSF Uber Elder

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IHellBoundI เขียน:

One of them is using efficacy instead of mirage archer.

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IHellBoundI เขียน:

Did u tested awakened inc area and divergent mirage archer to see what is better? Ty :)

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Viktranka เขียน:

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IHellBoundI เขียน:

One of them is using efficacy instead of mirage archer.

Try whichever you like better, on paper they're similar amount of damage gained, mirage is overall better probably if you don't weapon swap to caustic arrow for map clear because mirage gives you more mobility while mapping, while pure TR means you have to stop and shoot on every pack.

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IHellBoundI เขียน:

Did u tested awakened inc area and divergent mirage archer to see what is better? Ty :)

I haven't tested most alt-qual gems in practice because I'm cheap. But in theory normal mirage archer is pointless to quality, attack damage doesn't help this build. I would definitely swap to alt-quality if you have the currency. Divergent with skill duration sounds pretty good.

Awakened area has really low multiplier on it (14% while mirage baseline if I remember right is 27%) and I probably wouldn't go for it because you need more and more inc area to get each next overlap (you can check Remi's PF TR build, he has an overlap calculator there somewhere), basically the stat needed grows exponentially to keep increasing the radius linearly, after you get typical aoe increased like carcass jack / dying sun / possibly clusters with broadside, lethal assault passive, maybe heavy draw too, maybe inc aoe craft on helmet you should have enough and all of those are much less investment than dropping your 6th link. Generally I dislike taking non-damage 6th links like inc duration, inc area or faster attacks, I don't think they compare to old plain "more damage", links are very limited resource, even more than passive points.

You can also harvest enchant bow for either aoe or attack speed, and if you have the currency, get a 21/20 quality toxic rain - baseline gets area and I think it's probably more useful than duration or extra arrows because you can easier add duration and extra arrows to the build, and alt-qual 21/20 probably costs a freaking fortune.

Side note on conc effect vs inc area: more / less are of bigger impact than increased / reduced, because they don't share diminishing returns. Which means conc effect "less area" is a huge penalty, but inc area "increased area" shares diminishing returns with every other source of increased area. If conc effect had "reduced area" it would be easy to counter, but because it has "less area" it really ruins the investment into overlaps - therefore don't use it, it only looks cool on poe.ninja.

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IHellBoundI เขียน:

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JCOH35 เขียน:

https://pastebin.com/nFcGFhiq

This is what ive settled on, basically playing at max dps with nearly capped attack and spell dodge when im hit (75% and 74%), 4.6k life, 3.5k ES, all resists capped and 77% chaos resist.

It got to the point where my gear let me take the -30% ES hit from manually pathing to phase acrobatics and I used a very large thread of hope to the left of the tree.

Sup how are u?. Ur one of the best and active on this topic I think and want to min max toxic as aswell so I have a question that is being rly hard to found any aswnser so far lol.

Did u tested efficacy or awakened increase area of effect instead mirage archer? I've tried googling it but it seems unclear. I know mirage is like 28% more damage but in this stage where we are atm with 17-20m dps maybe a solid more multiplier like efficacy or stacking a pod more (maybe cause idk how to calculate that) with area of effect can be the diference between killing a boss in a sec or 2 ou having to dodge stuff.

I mean the only good thing I see about mirage archer is the hability of keep shooting when ur a busy dodging stuff but at the endgame we have so much damage that idk if its necessary/optimal.

Ill try to test myself tonight but is nice to see if anyone else did the test and what they found about it. Like going from 24 to 28 radious on toxic rain using iaoe or duration + multi of efficacy or mirage archer what is the most real dps gain.

Edit: I just remember about divergent mirage archer. I see it is better than normal mirage but the question remains lol witch one is better for dpsing bosses.

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JCOH35 เขียน:

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IHellBoundI เขียน:

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JCOH35 เขียน:

https://pastebin.com/nFcGFhiq

This is what ive settled on, basically playing at max dps with nearly capped attack and spell dodge when im hit (75% and 74%), 4.6k life, 3.5k ES, all resists capped and 77% chaos resist.

It got to the point where my gear let me take the -30% ES hit from manually pathing to phase acrobatics and I used a very large thread of hope to the left of the tree.

Sup how are u?. Ur one of the best and active on this topic I think and want to min max toxic as aswell so I have a question that is being rly hard to found any aswnser so far lol.

Did u tested efficacy or awakened increase area of effect instead mirage archer? I've tried googling it but it seems unclear. I know mirage is like 28% more damage but in this stage where we are atm with 17-20m dps maybe a solid more multiplier like efficacy or stacking a pod more (maybe cause idk how to calculate that) with area of effect can be the diference between killing a boss in a sec or 2 ou having to dodge stuff.

I mean the only good thing I see about mirage archer is the hability of keep shooting when ur a busy dodging stuff but at the endgame we have so much damage that idk if its necessary/optimal.

Ill try to test myself tonight but is nice to see if anyone else did the test and what they found about it. Like going from 24 to 28 radious on toxic rain using iaoe or duration + multi of efficacy or mirage archer what is the most real dps gain.

Edit: I just remember about divergent mirage archer. I see it is better than normal mirage but the question remains lol witch one is better for dpsing bosses.

Thank you Hellbound but if im being honest I barely ever even use PoB, let alone compare numbers.

I put together that PoB just so folks could see small tweaks I was doing differently b/c theres quite alot of others in similar gear, with harvest crafting for the masses now literally anyone can have full mirror gear.

Ive just been going off feel, I absolutely melted the Maven, each phase was over as it began except for that stupid memory game nonsense, I kill Baron on A9 before he can summon his first set of tiles etc.

When I get to that point on a build I start focusing on defense, and quality of life. Once im killing everything in 2 seconds, doing it in 1.8 seconds really isnt a priority for me, but I get that alot of folks are into that and I get it.

I am currently in the process of overhauling my gems to alt quality, ive done quite a few, my next ones up are divergent CWDT for the steelskin link, and divergent mirage archer, and then probally anomalous second wind support.

Id be surprised if they nerfed toxic rain, its always a popular and common league starter and it takes an investment to not be squishy, its still middle of the pack on poe.ninja, we shouldnt get too much unwanted attention.

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JCOH35 เขียน:

Id be surprised if they nerfed toxic rain, its always a popular and common league starter and it takes an investment to not be squishy, its still middle of the pack on poe.ninja, we shouldnt get too much unwanted attention.