[Outdated] Ultimate EDTrickster [2M dps - UNKILLABLE]

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Berto33 เขียน:
Man, as much as I love the clear of this build, the single target damage for the amount of currency I've sunk is abysmal. Taking me minutes to fight 3 socket conquerors (not even 4).



Here's my gear so far, obviously a lot of improvements but for nearly 10ex worth of investment I feel like it is severely lacking. I know I need enlighten 3 so I can get aspect of spider to put on belt which will help some, and empower 3 will add a decent bit of dps, and few other upgrades to increase my dps but even if I triple my damage from what it is now, I feel like doing any end game bosses will be an incredible slog. Any of you done uber elder, awakener 8, shaper in a reasonable time? Should my next upgrade be an empower 4?
21/20 ED, lvl 4 empower. Chaos multi +1 Chaos skill gems neck. Bow with over Time multi + Chaos multi. Chaos multi gloves. Do the 20% gcp recipe om your gems. Still lots you need to do to improve your damage.
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แก้ไขล่าสุดโดย baiden#9194 เมื่อ 24 มี.ค. 2020 04:11:38
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forfun142857 เขียน:
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zz2manuz3 เขียน:
Oh in fact yes MoM + Battery work I just didn't see that's only 30% of damages taken to mana before life.
So is it really worth to have that much ES?
Feel like I was more tanky without them, just drop Discipline for mana, the mana regen itself is good.

Your ideal Life:ES proportion should be 7:3. For example 4900 life pool should be protected with 2100 ES pool, 4200 Life = 1800 ES. It's less effective when you go out of this proportion.

Why do we prefer ES over mana (why do we convert our mana to ES with Discipline)?

We gain almost the same amount of ES as reserved mana using Discipline, but the
regen rate is different. Our regen rates don't matter while we are mapping, since we are either full HP/ES (thanks to Patient Reaper/ED regen) or dead. But in the boss fights we have these numbers of ES recharge rate:
10%/sec after 1 second delay with Soul Strike
15%/sec after 2 second delay with Hunter quiver.
Mana regen stays at ~20 mana/sec, which is just 2%/sec but without any delays.
It's up to you to decide what's more comfortable, but I would definetely stick to Discipline :)

English is not my native language, so I hope it's possible to understand what I meant.


Thing is, taking your example:
1. MoM+EB: 4200HP + 1800*0,3 ES => 4800 EHP
2. no MOM, no EB: 4200 HP + 1800 ES => 6000 EHP (besides chaos damage)

For the ration taking Discipline with MoM makes sense. Without MoM you have more EHP (besides chaos damage) without Discipline.

Isn't Flesh and Stone, Malevolence, Spider Aspect, no EB, no MOM, Vaal Discipline a safer route? That's what I'm trying to do with the Charisma notable in a few levels.

On another note: if you don't want to push your luck with a Redeemer orb (Movement speed or onslaught on kill, which you already have with an Abyss jewel), you could craft damage per endurance charge. It's generic damage, so it scales DoT DPS. It's a measly damage push though :) Are there any other crafts which would affect the DoT DPS?
Nope, 4200 HP and 1800 EB ES is 6k EHP. You take 70% of damage from HP (4200/0.7=6000 and 30% of damage from ES/mana)
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olsev_baiden เขียน:

Isn't Flesh and Stone, Malevolence, Spider Aspect, no EB, no MOM, Vaal Discipline a safer route? That's what I'm trying to do with the Charisma notable in a few levels.

Then we lose ~400 ES provided by Discipline, which is our EHP, so it isn't safer. Also we can face mana management problems, since 6L lvl 29 ED costs 85 mana alone. 5L Blight costs 13 mana for 4.4 casts/second, it's 57 mana/sec and we regenerate only 20 mana/sec.
แก้ไขล่าสุดโดย forfun142857#1431 เมื่อ 24 มี.ค. 2020 03:57:11
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forfun142857 เขียน:
Nope, 4200 HP and 1800 EB ES is 6k EHP. You take 70% of damage from HP (4200/0.7=6000 and 30% of damage from ES/mana)
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olsev_baiden เขียน:

Isn't Flesh and Stone, Malevolence, Spider Aspect, no EB, no MOM, Vaal Discipline a safer route? That's what I'm trying to do with the Charisma notable in a few levels.

Then we lose ~400 ES provided by Discipline, which is our EHP, so it isn't safer. Also we can face mana management problems, since 6L lvl 29 ED costs 85 mana alone. 5L Blight costs 13 mana for 4.4 casts/second, it's 57 mana/sec and we regenerate only 20 mana/sec.


Thank you, I'm dumb with maths. EHP stays the same IF you keep the ratio. And you bypass the usual hybrid problem with chaos damage. I can see the advantage now.

That said, it's quite a few points (for my variant at least, bc I use more cluster jewels). I'll think about it.
forfun is correct with 6000ehp. 30% of the Damage is taken from ES. Therefore you need to consider the incoming damage.

if you have 4200HP and 1800ES and you are hit for 5000dp: Then you take 5000 * 0.3 = 1500 hitpoints from es and 3500 from your Life.

if you are hit for 6000, then 6000*0.3=1800 is taken from ES and the remaining4200 from life. This leaves you with effective hitpoints of 6000.

if you are hit for 10k then 3000 hitpoints are taken from your ES, meaning there is 1200dps left which is added to the damage to your life pool. Your life is therefore hit with 7000+1200 dps. You are dead.


แก้ไขล่าสุดโดย inferNOH#3408 เมื่อ 24 มี.ค. 2020 04:45:10
Well, If hit damage > your EHP, then you're dead anyways, so why bother with calculations? This build provides fitting HP:ES ratio, so we don't really need to think about what happens if you run out of ES on hit.
แก้ไขล่าสุดโดย forfun142857#1431 เมื่อ 24 มี.ค. 2020 04:44:16
Am i just retarded or is the posted 130ex gear not have enough strength for the lvl 4 empower?
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Noxcydeo เขียน:


Can someone tell me how to progress with this bow? It has 2 prefixes and 1 suffix, do I hope to annul 1 prefix - then craft "Can have up to 3 crafted modifiers" and "Cannot roll attack modifiers" and slam -> get Paragon's

After that Remove crafted modifiers, craft "Can have up to 3 crafted modifiers" "Dot multiplier" "+2 support gems"

im bit confused if i need to annull at the start? do i need to annul only 1 or 2 times? could someone help, this is the first time im trying to craft on my own, thanks

Why did you not buy a 6L base to start with?
Also you should have started with a basic 6L short bow anyway, no idea why you go for the luxury option first.
Also in the guide, might as well give an alternate method for the bow, alt spam is possible, it's hard but it's how I prefer doig mine (use regal if you hit +1 or dot multi, if you hit both you're 50/50 to hit a suffix which is fine). You're not guaranteed to hit T1 multi but T2 is fine if the costs are much lower imo.

Also re minimum endurance charge: they're nice but far from mandatory. I chain T16s and sirus 8 without any of them.
แก้ไขล่าสุดโดย Shuggananas#4641 เมื่อ 24 มี.ค. 2020 05:03:09
My Cane is only a 5-link, but I do have a cheap 6-link chest. I'm still going to get more damage by running ED in my 5-link Cane right?

I'm also unsure of the optimum 5-link ED configuration. I haven't acquired an empower support yet, so do I just run the others from your 6-link setup, or do I put Decay Support in there over one of the other support gems?

Sorry for the noob questions.

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