[3.13] HC/SC/SSF All Content Miner - Any Mine Skill - LL/CI - 12k ES w/ Videos!

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LaplaceNoMa เขียน:

Hey there BeerLeague, thanks as always for keeping this updated.
I feel like for 3.11 I will YET AGAIN retreat to my comfort zone of mines...

I wanted to ask you - taking your BL pob as the basis and adding GR for the end-game Machina Mitts, what, in your opinion, would be the best and most efficient way to play around the Large ring Thread of Hope above Witch for the Icicle mines?

What I mean is something like this: https://i.imgur.com/ul2szg4.png

I've already tried that route in 3.9 but I never really optimized it and I also didn't have Machina Mitts. Also no cluster jewels back then, too. Looking at the amount of extra skillpoints required for cluster jewels, I am getting confused about how best to utilize this Thread of Hope. I am 99% certain though that not utilizing it for Icicle (and maybe GC, too) is just passing up a very good opportunity, this location is just perfect for a cold/es/caster character.

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BeerLeague เขียน:

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LaplaceNoMa เขียน:

Hey there BeerLeague, thanks as always for keeping this updated.
I feel like for 3.11 I will YET AGAIN retreat to my comfort zone of mines...

I wanted to ask you - taking your BL pob as the basis and adding GR for the end-game Machina Mitts, what, in your opinion, would be the best and most efficient way to play around the Large ring Thread of Hope above Witch for the Icicle mines?

What I mean is something like this: https://i.imgur.com/ul2szg4.png

I've already tried that route in 3.9 but I never really optimized it and I also didn't have Machina Mitts. Also no cluster jewels back then, too. Looking at the amount of extra skillpoints required for cluster jewels, I am getting confused about how best to utilize this Thread of Hope. I am 99% certain though that not utilizing it for Icicle (and maybe GC, too) is just passing up a very good opportunity, this location is just perfect for a cold/es/caster character.

Every time I slot it, its a significant EHP loss - honestly, I think it is a bit of a trap. The build doesnt need more dps, which is what you trade ehp for with that jewel.

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LaplaceNoMa เขียน:

Oh, I didn't think of it that way. Is it also a loss even with the clarity WE? I assumed that taking Utmost Intellect and other related nodes (so keeping Tranquility as anointment) would end up somewhat returning ES in form of getting more mana and, therefore, more ES. Oh well, I guess planning for that before the league started is not that productive. I personally haven't yet tried going the Prism Guardian route yet, this league will probably be my first time going with that.

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BeerLeague เขียน:

Yeah its still worse, from what I remember, you gain like 10% dps or so, but lose 15%~ ehp.

Also, the pathing to that jewel socket is sub-optimal to begin with

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LaplaceNoMa เขียน:

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BeerLeague เขียน:

Yeah its still worse, from what I remember, you gain like 10% dps or so, but lose 15%~ ehp.

Also, the pathing to that jewel socket is sub-optimal to begin with

I see... Regarding pathing, isn't it exactly the same in terms of the amount of travel nodes + 1 jewel slot for both the 'upward' and the 'middle' routes?

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LaplaceNoMa เขียน:

Small addition: here is a sort of 'completed' version with that scenario I'm talking about, but it's from 3.9.

https://pastebin.com/fgFFAmDZ

I guess quite a lot of things will need to be changed here, considering the cluster jewels, but do you think that with this as a starting point, and machina mitts/prism guardian instead of my ES gloves/shield, I'd better grab all the ES nodes instead?

Honestly, I was very satisfied with that character, but I have no choice but to try something new for 3.11, mostly basing it on your build this time...

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Bowman8763 เขียน:

I don't really play mines but might give it a go in SSF next league. I don't play it because of the extra clicking involved. I was told that slotting Detonate Mines on your left click was an alternative. Has anyone tried this and is it a viable option? Sorry if this is a redundant question. I didn't scan all the pages.