[3.13] HC/SC/SSF All Content Miner - Any Mine Skill - LL/CI - 12k ES w/ Videos!

Do you have a full POB for a purifying flame miner loadout?
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ivaskakosoy เขียน:

NO!
Quote from the guide: "At the time you get to maps, or early on in white maps you should look to transition into a CI build. For that you will need better ES rares and to ditch the life rolls on your gear. The gearing itself is straightforward however as you just want high ES scores and res. Having around 3k ES should suffice at the start of the transaction and last you until you finish white maps.
One thing to keep in mind here though is that your goal is to switch over to LL as quickly as possible, we wont stay in this stage for long, so try not to waste a ton of currency here micromanaging your upgrades."
The problem is that when you follow this advice, the build becomes unplayable.

Second quote: "Having around 3k ES should suffice at the start of the transaction and last you until you finish white maps."
According to the author, 3k es should be enough until the end of the white maps, which is especially funny that in this setup, white mobs on a t1 card will one-shot you.

We add here systematic errors in the names of skills throughout the guide and conclude that the author is not entirely competent in matters related to this build and poe in general. It's a shame that I wasted time on this build.


Except it isn’t unplayable at all. I’ve recorded 4 league starts doing just that, 2 have been done deathless in HC. It works.

If you are looking at skills in the guide, it’s a general mine guide for spells, thus depending on what skills folks are using the skill names will be different. There are dozens of spells you can use for mines, each league I make a recommendation so there is bound to be some different information across 400+ pages of comments.
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PadreBruxo เขียน:
Guys just get shavs, shavs will solve everything, yet here i am with shavs and it just feels so weak it's not even funny. No possible comparison to 3.10 tremor + kaoms or 3.12 mom scion. I gave it some time expecting to notice a huge difference with shavs and prism but it feels pretty much the same as it felt with the potato gear i was using before so idk really.


Your flasks are a mess, as is most of your jewelry. Aura gems are level 8.
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BeerLeague เขียน:
สปอยล์
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ivaskakosoy เขียน:

NO!
Quote from the guide: "At the time you get to maps, or early on in white maps you should look to transition into a CI build. For that you will need better ES rares and to ditch the life rolls on your gear. The gearing itself is straightforward however as you just want high ES scores and res. Having around 3k ES should suffice at the start of the transaction and last you until you finish white maps.
One thing to keep in mind here though is that your goal is to switch over to LL as quickly as possible, we wont stay in this stage for long, so try not to waste a ton of currency here micromanaging your upgrades."
The problem is that when you follow this advice, the build becomes unplayable.

Second quote: "Having around 3k ES should suffice at the start of the transaction and last you until you finish white maps."
According to the author, 3k es should be enough until the end of the white maps, which is especially funny that in this setup, white mobs on a t1 card will one-shot you.

We add here systematic errors in the names of skills throughout the guide and conclude that the author is not entirely competent in matters related to this build and poe in general. It's a shame that I wasted time on this build.


Except it isn’t unplayable at all. I’ve recorded 4 league starts doing just that, 2 have been done deathless in HC. It works.


I think you are missing the point. This guide isn't really great for less experienced players, particularly those that lack familiarity with the mine playstyle or struggle to generate currency.

If you are good at these things, then fair enough. You can probably run through maps with 1k life or whatever ES and quickly farm enough currency to buy shavs and transform into an absolute powerhouse. But a less experienced player that is still getting used to the playstyle running into maps with mediocre EHP and no defensive layers is just going to be a train wreck - and this seems to be where players are getting stuck.

Personally, I don't see any reason not to league-start as a life-based miner w/phase acro. You get plenty of respec points from the acts, and by the time you can afford to switch to LL or CI you will have enough regrets to allow you to fully respec.
I'm enjoying the hell out of this build, so thanks for the guide! I am struggling for wand upgrades, though, it's hard to tell what is actually better. How accurate is the PoB DPS? Is it worth using it at all to decide which wands are better?
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BrettLee เขียน:
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BeerLeague เขียน:
สปอยล์
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ivaskakosoy เขียน:

NO!
Quote from the guide: "At the time you get to maps, or early on in white maps you should look to transition into a CI build. For that you will need better ES rares and to ditch the life rolls on your gear. The gearing itself is straightforward however as you just want high ES scores and res. Having around 3k ES should suffice at the start of the transaction and last you until you finish white maps.
One thing to keep in mind here though is that your goal is to switch over to LL as quickly as possible, we wont stay in this stage for long, so try not to waste a ton of currency here micromanaging your upgrades."
The problem is that when you follow this advice, the build becomes unplayable.

Second quote: "Having around 3k ES should suffice at the start of the transaction and last you until you finish white maps."
According to the author, 3k es should be enough until the end of the white maps, which is especially funny that in this setup, white mobs on a t1 card will one-shot you.

We add here systematic errors in the names of skills throughout the guide and conclude that the author is not entirely competent in matters related to this build and poe in general. It's a shame that I wasted time on this build.


Except it isn’t unplayable at all. I’ve recorded 4 league starts doing just that, 2 have been done deathless in HC. It works.


I think you are missing the point. This guide isn't really great for less experienced players, particularly those that lack familiarity with the mine playstyle or struggle to generate currency.

If you are good at these things, then fair enough. You can probably run through maps with 1k life or whatever ES and quickly farm enough currency to buy shavs and transform into an absolute powerhouse. But a less experienced player that is still getting used to the playstyle running into maps with mediocre EHP and no defensive layers is just going to be a train wreck - and this seems to be where players are getting stuck.

Personally, I don't see any reason not to league-start as a life-based miner w/phase acro. You get plenty of respec points from the acts, and by the time you can afford to switch to LL or CI you will have enough regrets to allow you to fully respec.


When I've played the build the first time (in Harvest) since it was my first miner, I've read the guide and some of the comments on how to play a miner, realizing that once you'll get used to play the build you can run it without any real issues, because most of the mob will die before they can reach you.when you'll get the gloves you'll mitigate a lot of damage).

Damage is not a problem, but your defense layers are, so you have to understand that even with the gloves and the huge quality of life they'll give you, you won't be able to facetank anything, but you have to keep moving, use flasks and spam mines.

That's how the build works.

And no, a build that in order to works require at least 2/3 "expensive" uniques, is not beginner friendly, but I didn't see anybody stating that in the build before.
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BeerLeague เขียน:
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PadreBruxo เขียน:
Guys just get shavs, shavs will solve everything, yet here i am with shavs and it just feels so weak it's not even funny. No possible comparison to 3.10 tremor + kaoms or 3.12 mom scion. I gave it some time expecting to notice a huge difference with shavs and prism but it feels pretty much the same as it felt with the potato gear i was using before so idk really.


Your flasks are a mess, as is most of your jewelry. Aura gems are level 8.


That's fair and i am aware of both those things. The flasks is just lazyness the jewelry it's because the market option are that great, excluding the amulet obviously.

At the same time, i was expecting to start struggling with my current gear on high red tier maps instead of dying stupid amounts of times on t5s like it's currently happening. Maybe the expectations just aren't realistic but i can't lie and say i didn't expect to feel a lot stronger by now.


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Pugloaf เขียน:
Do you have a full POB for a purifying flame miner loadout?


Same tree and gear as the pyroclast miner.
Hi, where can I get actual tree for Pyro Miner and BL miner?
Thanks for the guide. How do you best use the Vaal Righteous Fire gem in the build, as shown in your POB? New to miner and that skill in general.

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