[3.14] Kami's Life | LL | CI CoC Ice Nova Assassin | all Content | deep Delve | max Block

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tffiad เขียน:

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kng710 เขียน:

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tffiad เขียน:

yes, 14, and 7.5 attack speed on cyclone with 1 cospri. as u going to this build, u will drop 2nd cospri and pick a shield.

personally i would say to not sell 2nd cospri, instead.. buy another one, and place 2x cospri in 2nd weapon slot, for a situtations where u want more dps. or just swap it here to there from inventory, depends from how luxury u are.

amy stays as is, rest of gear is need to be changed to high ES, u probably will have less dps with this build, but its kind of hard to die with it.

in 3.9 i was facerolling juiced t16 and 400+ depth, it felt smoother than zombie necro.

Yeah i played regular CoC in 3.9 and was facerolling end game content too.

only having trouble with the exploding delirium mobs one shotting me, hoping this will fix it if i switch over.

generally u should just move away from them and thats it. with high es u will be able to survive 2-3 hits of this, usually 2. im not sure if block chance has any effect on those, it looks like they are passing it? at least to me.

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plethoragasm เขียน:

Bricked the craft.. well it is what it is, will a divine orb reroll the CDR or am i wrong? Don't want to mess it up more.

TIA.

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tffiad เขียน:

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Dragomirov เขียน:

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Eliqq เขียน:

Single target seems to be enough so far, but I haven't tried any juiced 100% delirium t16s yet. Sirus I'm killing deathless, simulacrum deathless. Damage is fine so far and I have a ton of upgrades still to get.

ES leech is 1 node on the passive tree in the assassin area, and energy leech in your cospris. ES on kill is absolutely underrated. Half a pack gives me 100% ES back.

Here's my gear so far if you're curious

Thanks, that helps. No idea why I didn't see the Soul Thief passive... In this case why do we even bother with the Energy Leech support? Especially as it seems to be supporting Frostbolt and Ice Nova inside the Cospri, which don't have much dps. For that matter, I'm confused about why we even put Ice Nova in the Cospri? I would think Cospri generates the zero-dps Frostbolts, and Cyclone generates the Ice Nova supported by 3 gems? Why have Cospri generate other Ice Novas only supported by Energy Leech? Unless somehow the game gets confused and lets Cospri trigger the Ice Nova from the body armour? We could use that space for Frost bombs or even Cold Snap, or whatever else we can think of (these two are not necessarily great examples given their long CDs).

half of fame. u are wrong.

in my pob: chest nova - 250k.
frostbolt 80k. we have frozen trail - 80 x 3 = 240k.
ice nova cospri - 80k x 3 = 240k.

weapon does almost twice more damage than nova in chest.

but yea, if u dont want that much leech, and go offensive - pick some support gem which adds more dps, or whatever u like.

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Dragomirov เขียน:

Can't check your character as your profile is private, so I'm not sure what you're doing differently from the builds (offensive and defensive) proposed in OP.

In the PoBs provided in OP, we have this:
DEFENSIVE version:
- Main body cyclone-proc'd Ice nova: 158k average hit.
- Cospri's Ice Nova: 66k average hit (supported by Energy Leech)
- Cospri's Frost Bolt: 99k average hit (supported by Energy Leech).

OFFENSIVE version (no Energy leech support so dmg of Cospri's spells doesn't increase that much):
- Main body cyclone-proc'd Ice nova: 232k average hit.
- Cospri's Ice Nova: 79k average hit
- Cospri's Frost Bolt: 119k average hit

(i) From an exterior point of view all these numbers seem freaky low, even if that's acknowledging the high number of Ice Nova explosions per second, a self cast Ice Nova build is just 10 to 20 times higher average hit, for a cast rate (number of casts per second) of 5 to 7. So taking into account that here we have a cast rate (or aps for this build) of 10, that's still around 7-9 times lower dps. Which is why I was initially concerned by the boss dps performance. Obviously being able to constantly cast while cycloning, moving, dodging has immense upside (QoL, survival and actual dps) compared to a build where you have to stand still and cast your Ice Nova, even if you do move a bit in between.
(ii) Frozen Tail: casts 3 frost bolts, but they're thrown own quite spread if you're staying still on target (cursor on your position, therefore close to you, therefore bigger spread of Frostbolts like in a Lesser Multiple Projectiles support), not sure we could consider they all hit.
As for the Ice Nova, the fact that there are multiple Frostbolt to cast from doesn't cast multiple Ice Nova, so you don't multiply by 3 here. You can do the test with self-cast Ice Nova cast from a Greater Multiple Projectiles Frostbolt: you will cast 5 Frostbolts, but when you cast Ice Nova (once) only 2 of the frostbolts (closest to your cursor as per spell description) will create novas, irrespective of the number of FrostBolts around (you still need minimum 2 around). I agree that in the heat of it since you cast multiple frostbolts and generate many Ice Novas it looks like all frostbolts may be generating novas, but in reality only two novas get cast per CoC trigger. You got just 20 (or 40 if including the weaker ones from Cospri) gettting generated per second from probably different frost bolts so you don't see it if you don't think it through.
(iii) So if I assume 2 of the 3 frostbolts will hit the target, using the Defensive version of OP's PoB get (158k*2)=316k avg hit per cast from Cyclone-Ice Nova vs (66k*2+99k*2)=330k for damage generated by Cospri's casts. Not twice as much but still definitely good. The Cospri Ice Nova is actually not a big part of it surprisingly. Trying to think what would be a potential replacement. In general spells with cooldowns are not great since they don't benefit from the many casts per second. If you're not using Frostbite (using Assassin's mark in ring) then you could use more resistance lowering (especially as this one isn't a curse so doesn't get nerfed on bosses, where resistance lowering actually matters), so a Frost bomb would add maybe 19% more dps despite only casting once every few seconds. But chances are there isn't really a great alternative and sticking to Ice Novas for an extra (weaker) 20 novas (10 casts) a second is the best for mapping, and Frostbite is there to solve resistances on big bosses.

Btw what do you mean by "half of fame"?

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Fatkids เขียน:

Found this formula to calculate Ice Nova dps.

Ice Nova:

Ice Nova average hit (160,000) * 2 (Frostbolt procs) * 7.50(triggers per second with CDR) * 0.99 (Crit Chance)= 2,376,000 DPS


Not sure if this is completely accurate but yeah