[3.26] CWDT Ward Loop Scion

I seen several profiles now of wardloops without any to dust gems at all and i think its related to using SRS but can anyone explain that? And how do you make that one work or how do u know what %CDR is needed in that case?

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Akshay#5418 เขียน:

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kOxi_#2216 เขียน:

Any good news for the build with the 3.26 patch notes?

The 40% ward tattoo, otherwise nothing.

You could go PF Ele and get some golem effectiveness. Stone Golem gives 20% increased defenses, the wheel above witch gives a third golem and 80% golem effect, Golem quality gives 20% effect, and you can replace the two large clusters with minion clusters with Primordial Bond for another 80% buff effect;

That's another 56% increased defenses.

The life regen is obviously rather pointless, but you can add Flame for some increased damage and a chunk of extra AoE; Ice Golem gives some crit. Can't use Chaos because of Chaos res of course.
They're permanently up since we can chuck them into a CWDT setup.

For 1 passive point we can then also run an AG because the Minions recover 5% life on minion death mastery (in the Golem Wheel) obviously gives infinite sustain to the AG, and/or even Spectres if we want them. With that mastery, we probably don't even need to CWDT the Golems either.


96% increased ward sounds like a lot of tankstats. With that much increased, we can even go back to a runic crown to alleviate affix pressure.

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rozakk#4688 เขียน:

I seen several profiles now of wardloops without any to dust gems at all and i think its related to using SRS but can anyone explain that? And how do you make that one work or how do u know what %CDR is needed in that case?

Jousis did a hungry loop video with SRS some time back, but it was insanely clunky and definitely more meme-status than actually playable. Do you have a few links to those SRS profiles by any chance?

Hello. Ive been trying to make wardloop work and calculator says it should work and ive checked poe.ninja for similar builds and everything should be fine. Can somebody help me to find problem what makes my loop break?

My character:

https://poe.ninja/profile/Manding0-0633/character/WAIFUBOMBBBBB

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Manding0#0633 เขียน:

Hello. Ive been trying to make wardloop work and calculator says it should work and ive checked poe.ninja for similar builds and everything should be fine. Can somebody help me to find problem what makes my loop break?

My character:

https://poe.ninja/profile/Manding0-0633/character/WAIFUBOMBBBBB

Something tells me the problem is with CDR. I was making another version of CWDT, and it wouldn't work at all unless CDR was exactly 9, 27-28, or 52. Some other numbers might work, but with those CDR values it worked perfectly for me.

p.s: Uh-oh. There's one thing I didn't see. Maybe the armor is still the problem. There's not enough damage from the rings to penetrate your armor. That's why this guide says you shouldn't have armor.

Huge thank you to Akshay for creating and updating this guide throughout the years. Over about the last 3 years I went from being clueless on this build to moving through each stage and learning so much about the build and about the game overall. This was a huge undertaking to learn, so I can't imagine pioneering and educating the masses. Well done and again THANK YOU! This build is the most fascinating thing about poe to me and still blows my mind.


After coming back every few months it seems we often get a nerf. This caused me to keep having to try new things and understand the build better, constantly having to warp my setup to fit the latest update's changes. I found something I think is cool so I will share below, for anyone willing to read...



I wanted to try cwdt 21/20, meaning 21/20 in skele (helm) setup, 21/20 in staff, and 19/20 in skin of the lords (I'm running very high budget legacy olroth's and haven't/am not sure if swapping to the Ynda's belt setup and appropriate body armor would really be better, maybe someone can weight in on that) I think keeping what I have would be better.

I also use a progenesis as one of the flasks, and run low life to take advantage of pain attunement mod on my body armour. The low life is achieved through Herald of Ice + Arrogance in my boots. side note, I think parts of this guide (much understandably) are outdated and I still see references to Hatred in there. I use HoI instead now because as I understand Hatred is now useless for this build.

In addition to the progenesis I use Petrified Blood to help make up for running low life. 27% cdr and using crystallized omni, in case that is relevant to anyone.
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It feels good, most of the time. There's two quirks that came with the higher cwdt though, and it could just be a me not understanding something(s), but I think it's almost, if not entirely, the 21 cwdt's.


1) had to add in Summon SRS of Enormity
2) Loop start takes about 4 times to start (not a mana issue, thoroughly tested). It's like pulling on the chainsaw cord to get it started. But really not that bad.
- this is because SRS of Enormity has a minion limit of 6 (2 per cast/loop start) and they last for 5 seconds, but 2 will die instantly when you already have 6 and recast to summon another 2. This takes lvl 21 summon skele in helm's 4 skeles + 2 SRS to reach a 6 minion death per cwdt proc, once it's revved up.

for those interested my SRS/FR setup is as follows in gloves:

SRS Enormity 13/0
cwdt 13/20 (this may need to change depending on your setup, i have 2 of the spectral spirit wands in my 2nd weapon set/loop start which are more than enough to trigger)
Forbidden Rite 1/0
4th slot i'm still currently deciding what to put back in there


Side question, if anyone can answer - For ammy enchant, is the updated Divine Judgement notable worth taking over Counterwight now? On the same track of thinking, considering I have 100% cold pen, would it even be worth it to do Whisper of Doom on ammy for 2nd curse and throw Frostbite curse in that glove setup? Or maybe a different curse that can take better advantage since it doesn't look like Frostbite will do me any good.



Anyway in conclusion - aside from the start of a map where it takes longer to start the loop...you have that ramp up time whenever switching zones and minions reset, as you have to max out your SRS again (also boss fights with phase/zone switches, think elder guardians, etc)

If something stuns you or you get mana drained, or cross a Temporal Bubble monster's path, restarting the loop has no delay if you are fast enough, because most (or all) of your SRS are still alive, meaning you are not starting from 0).


Anyway if someone already shared this sorry to waste anyone's time, I kind of stumbled on this on my own just trying to fix what patch(es) broke. Hope you enjoyed and everyone thumbs up Ashkay for a killer guide!

what mercs are u playing?

Hello,

Whats with all the builds on poe ninja without the Dust jewels. I try to figuere it out but when I copy a build like that my skeletons last 3.48s.

Any idea? Are they bad at wardlooping?

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akaflux#6374 เขียน:

Hello,

Whats with all the builds on poe ninja without the Dust jewels. I try to figuere it out but when I copy a build like that my skeletons last 3.48s.

Any idea? Are they bad at wardlooping?

Falling zombie / SRS loop. Takes more sockets, and needs two rings, but does not require dusts, reduced duration cluster, or FR. And ignores time bubbles:)

Loop is started by zombies, and sustained by SRS, skeletons are only there to increase self damage, since they die when skeleton limit is reached.