[3.27] Ice Dancing God - Icestorm/Cyclone/CI - Viable For Everything

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squeegoo#1341 เขียน:

You can have 2 Esh grafts, they are limited by the ability on the graft not the type. You can't have 2 Esh with Glowing Silhouette, but you can have 2 esh if they have different abilities (Glowing Silhouette and Enervating Grasp)

Nice! Thanks for the info. So we can have 2x 4% Int.

But the Tul one that generates frenzy charges is essentially 15% MORE damage vs bosses. Which is a bigger benefit (for bossing).

One of each seems to be the best setup.

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Kelvynn#6607 เขียน:

...and I just beat the Hive Fortress in T12. Pre-nerf. With 2100 Int, lv 91.

So much for 'this build can't do it'... XD

Here's the video: T12 Hive Fortress

I was looking at the minimap 90% of the time. Kill the red dots! :)

The 'get out' part at the end was a surprise but the trash keeps spawning so you can easily out heal the AoE damage.

I'm completing t16 hives 90% of time. I have 1.9k int. So yea, it's definitely doable.

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Kelvynn#6607 เขียน:

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dupie#7991 เขียน:

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AHDPE9IH#7666 เขียน:

I can't protect the hive at tiers 1-5. Maybe there's a secret? At wave 20+, that's it.
According to the tooltip, DPS is 7k without charges... and that's not enough to kill mobs.

The build is bad, you need too much RNG and buy too many items for it to feel good on league start. I swapped to another build on the 2nd day and have no regrets. You basically need 5s/6s on both weapons and at least 1500 int for the build to feel ok, basically what most other builds can do SSF without any traded gear.

The only benefit is this build becomes braindead EZ mode with enough investment. I have played this build in the past to 100 on a few occasions and it is mindless broken OP when geared, but you need to invest at least 20 hours and hope for some RNG or do some heavy grinding with bad clear speed to get it online, otherwise it just feels bad.

Just my experience, if you have 5+ hours a day to play the build can be good after some investment. I swapped to poison concoction and was doing maps and clearing 5x faster within 6 hours.

I streamed my league start, the recordings are available (Day 1, Day 2). Campaign done with 4 sockets and even some of the early mapping before there was a need to upgrade to 5 sockets. Anybody can see how easy it is. I don't know what you are doing wrong to have a different experience. Ignoring Int on gear? Or resistances? Or not following the leveling guide/trees? At this point blaming it on the build is a bit silly.

Sure thing, if you want pure clear speed then there are many builds much better for that. You'll discover their limitations later on though.

The league mechanic is not properly tuned. That happens very often. Ignore it during the campaign and just play the core game until they patch it.

This build can't beat the Hive Fortress? Spoiler alert: 90% of the builds can't. There is a lot of complaints about the design of that thing on the forums. GGG are officially "working on it" and will hopefully get it fixed soon.

You played almost 24hours in the 1st 2 days, that is not only unhealthy but not normal for most people. As I said, the build is good with investment, but 7k tooltip dps clearly is not enough gear investment for the build to feel good(as the person pointed out) and also as a league start it requires a lot more than just a few uniques. I was pointing out that the build is bad with little trading or investment, and it requires a lot more than it seems to get online and feel good.

For example I swapped to a basic poison concoction assassin and later into spark poison and I was obliterating maps with 1 trade and 4L within 6hours of starting my character, that to me what u define as a good league starter.

The build is good, but terrible to start with IMO unless you play unhealthy amount of hours in the first day or two, otherwise u need to progress very slowly as a casual on league start until it comes online. I never said the build itself was not good, but it is definitely a lot worse to league start than in the past due to all the power creep.

TLDR; build is good mid game, but its a bad league starter unless you play a lot and can wait a week or two as a casual to feel good IMO.

Maybe stupid question maybe i missed somewhere, but how can i equip two "craft" items?

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Wartas#6089 เขียน:

Maybe stupid question maybe i missed somewhere, but how can i equip two "craft" items?

graft items are the league specific item slots you get via playing the league. just do the mechanic and youll get several green items for your tree.

i think you get the second graft after beating a spawned boss in a breach (just stabilize the breach by killing the mobs and then finish the boss- sometimes you have bad luck and the breach spwans 4 rares instead)

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dupie#7991 เขียน:

You played almost 24hours in the 1st 2 days, that is not only unhealthy but not normal for most people. As I said, the build is good with investment, but 7k tooltip dps clearly is not enough gear investment for the build to feel good(as the person pointed out) and also as a league start it requires a lot more than just a few uniques. I was pointing out that the build is bad with little trading or investment, and it requires a lot more than it seems to get online and feel good.

Ive played this build multiple leagues now and didnt always have time to do a league rush. the build plays the same if you start 2 weeks later and play only a few hours every week, only change is the economy which is the case for any build. int stacking is expensive later on, but the low end - to mid end equipment on offering in trade league is ubiquitous.


the build isnt very casual friendly, as there are multiple points in the buildprocess, where you can brick your damage easily and have a bad very bad time with it not being obvious where you made a mistake.

following the guide and using the community tool to check yourself helps a lot and i still, after several leagues playing this, made a mistake when pathing for my clusters. cost me a lot of damage...

i killed a lot of bosses after breach (im in early red maps) seems i missed something... need to look at it

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Gottwurm#1507 เขียน:

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AHDPE9IH#7666 เขียน:

The thing is that I currently have 1900 intelligence, and I simply can’t defend against the hives on white maps, it’s ridiculous.

can you post your current character info ? might be you are missing a few pieces in the build causing your damage to drop off.

https://pobb.in/8bvM7_xhhcI-
I'm looking at the map and killing the red dots. On the white map, I've only closed two hives so far. And I was lucky there were plenty of defenses and meteorites. I don't know what Kelvin is suggesting or how. Well, on the red map, if I don't have the necessary defensive helpers, it won't be easy.

It's hard for me to constantly use a translator; I'm from faraway Siberia.

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AHDPE9IH#7666 เขียน:

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Gottwurm#1507 เขียน:

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AHDPE9IH#7666 เขียน:

The thing is that I currently have 1900 intelligence, and I simply can’t defend against the hives on white maps, it’s ridiculous.

can you post your current character info ? might be you are missing a few pieces in the build causing your damage to drop off.

https://pobb.in/8bvM7_xhhcI-
I'm looking at the map and killing the red dots. On the white map, I've only closed two hives so far. And I was lucky there were plenty of defenses and meteorites. I don't know what Kelvin is suggesting or how. Well, on the red map, if I don't have the necessary defensive helpers, it won't be easy.

It's hard for me to constantly use a translator; I'm from faraway Siberia.

with that you should be able to beat it. problem i guess is the unavoidable ramp up and small aoe (essentially meleerange).

i did and do most hives in group as it is just easier to call out a hive in discord and join for a fast 1k graftblood.

need to do some testing with an idea i have tonight.

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Kelvynn#6607 เขียน:

About the Grafts:

- You cannot use the same type of graft in both hands, so we need 2 different ones.

- You can buy them in the trade league. They are currently very cheap.

- Here's the full list of mods that can appear on grafts

- Esh graft can have a mod 2-4% Increased Int. So that's a no-brainer for us.

- Other useful mods on Esh: +flat Int, %inc Spell damage

- For the other hand, Tul can have 6-10% Cold Penetration mod, and a Chance to get a Frenzy charge when you hit a Unique enemy. That's massive!

- Other useful mods on Tul: %inc Cold damage, %inc global crit chance, +global crit multi

- Skills auto-cast by the grafts can proc additional things like curses or shock. But the cooldown on those skills seems to be too long to rely on them.

Craft or buy a pair of hands Tul + Esh while they are cheap!

Thanks Kelvynn!

I've been having a blast, although I just got to maps due to real life keeping me busy.

i enjoy the build as I always do.