⛵☁️[3.25] The dirty Scorpion-tail|CI Trickster CI|140M+ Herald of Agony Minion|Arachnophobia Allstars

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StalinsGhost เขียน:

I have taken this build up to clearing T17, using cyclone 99% of the time. Is Ball Lightning of Orbiting really useful for the 4 link on the virulence stacking skill? As the guy above me mentioned, I also have mana issues with this build, I want to hold down cyclone forever until the whole map is dead, but without -3 mana cost to skills on ring you have to constantly stutter step. With the -3 on a ring, its almost perfect; However, I can see that after the initial round of cyclone -> tornado -> Ball Lightning x3, if you hold down cyclone it will prefer to cast ball lightning over tornado (since tornado is higher mana cost). leading to very few tornados after the initial cast of cyclone. Removing the Orbiting lets the Tornado activate nonstop as you recharge to 16 mana.

With the additional link, Ive experimented with increased chance to poison support; 40% more chance makes it easy to get passives back from poison on hit talents.

Also, I wish there was a way to tell how much wither helps. I had to use a Glorious Vanity to socket wither, which removes ghost dance from my passive tree, and I wonder how much the 25% chance to stack wither really matters; am I even stacking it to 15 often? Hard to say how much value this gives in practice.

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sobotkaa เขียน:

Hey i want to try this beast, what setup from pob can you recommend my current budget is ca.50 divs

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Chromino เขียน:

Hi StalinsGhost,

you need "mystic bulwark" on the tree, this will add 35 manareg each second. There are some workarounds when you want to go without mystic bulwark, see "manamaster" in "checklist stats", but mystic bulwark is recommended.
In maps when you hit multiple targets also 1 passive of "clever thief" solves most mana-problems before.

Yes, ball lightning of orbiting is b.i.s. with enough mana.


In the end you need simple almost continuous maximal HoA-virulences against singletargets with the channeling skills. With 100% poisonchances some different or fewer skills this can work also.

There is no counter for withers, I miss a wither-counter too. You can calculate them manually of course, with your hitrates of your skills and your witherchances, x2 because they last 2 seconds, etc.
In "The composition of agony" I calculated the in average generated withers for the default set-ups manually.
Ghost Dance is very strong and not easy to replace. The Sin`s rebirth flask solely generates 15 withers within it's duration and withering steps generates instant 15 withers for 2 seconds too with ashes of stars.

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droshi เขียน:

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Chromino เขียน:

Hi StalinsGhost,

you need "mystic bulwark" on the tree, this will add 35 manareg each second. There are some workarounds when you want to go without mystic bulwark, see "manamaster" in "checklist stats", but mystic bulwark is recommended.
In maps when you hit multiple targets also 1 passive of "clever thief" solves most mana-problems before.

Yes, ball lightning of orbiting is b.i.s. with enough mana.


In the end you need simple almost continuous maximal HoA-virulences against singletargets with the channeling skills. With 100% poisonchances some different or fewer skills this can work also.

There is no counter for withers, I miss a wither-counter too. You can calculate them manually of course, with your hitrates of your skills and your witherchances, x2 because they last 2 seconds, etc.
In "The composition of agony" I calculated the in average generated withers for the default set-ups manually.
Ghost Dance is very strong and not easy to replace. The Sin`s rebirth flask solely generates 15 withers within it's duration and withering steps generates instant 15 withers for 2 seconds too with ashes of stars.

For me mystic bulwark isn't enough. I've tried unsocketing tornado (or ball lightning) as well but it seems to just dump all my mana leaving me without enough to cast CWDT or cast on stun effects. Strange enough PoB seems to say I should have enough regen for the mana cost per second of cyclone + ball lightning but that doesn't seem to be the case for me. If it was correct just cycloning in hideout with only that skill linked shouldn't cause mana to drain much.

Only the 1 point to Life & Mana on Hit seems to work if there are enough mobs to get back. Leveling I used Theif's Torment which worked nice for a while also at lower levels, but now with real rings it feels like something else is still needed for mana management to be ideal.

No regen maps or mana drain runes can also pose problems and make an occasional enduring mana flask needed to just power through it.

Other than the above mana issues, the build feels very strong. The only last issue I have is just a preference thing with the disconnected feeling between cycloning and your minion doing the damage. Sometimes he just isn't the brightest bulb around.

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simeon955 เขียน:

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Corvete เขียน:

Hey, thanks for the build! Why do you se Cult Leader/Pure Agony jewels, but Cult Leader is never allocated?