build diversity

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Th1sGuy255255#8969 เขียน:

Yea no. Only a few classes have skills that don't require combos the entire rest of the game requires it to get anywhere. Not looking for a fight if you disagree move on

Brother.

Classes do not have skills. It is noob trap, that GGG is trying to force you into specific playstyle. And if you take this noob trap it is your own fault.

Skills are skills, and you have to play the best ones. 99% is non-recyclable garbage.

It doesn't matter where you start on the tree, just path your way to the closest viable clusters, and roll with that works.

I have a warrior that outside of the river starting area have not landed a single melee attack.

And I have merc, that did not land a single range attack.

Play what works, and ignore the stupid GGG skill videos.
So simple.

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Skellymancer#5263 เขียน:

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Gordyne#2944 เขียน:

I would prefer that the passive tree + gear enabled you to create your own archetype as long as you navigate in your "half" of the tree.

This is very very bad idea. The one that makes you come to forum and complain when your build sucks and you cannot kill anything.

The majority of tree gives nothing of value. Making "your own" archetype is very bad idea. Sure you can pick extra AOE cluster, instead of extra Speed cluster, or extra Damage cluster, but that is it.

Your path should remain strict to the best nodes, and everything else you should avoid.

It could be I have a reading issue with your text, but to me, it seems you view this as something positive.

Like... the tree and gearing being designed in this way, so it's a very bad idea to do interesting stuff!? Something I thought I would never connect to "Path of Exile".

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Skellymancer#5263 เขียน:

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Gordyne#2944 เขียน:

I would prefer that the passive tree + gear enabled you to create your own archetype as long as you navigate in your "half" of the tree.

This is very very bad idea. The one that makes you come to forum and complain when your build sucks and you cannot kill anything.

The majority of tree gives nothing of value. Making "your own" archetype is very bad idea. Sure you can pick extra AOE cluster, instead of extra Speed cluster, or extra Damage cluster, but that is it.

Your path should remain strict to the best nodes, and everything else you should avoid.

Well, then it would be more practical to create standard classes like D2, D3 and D4 have and get rid of the passive tree, since you'll be getting the same nodes 90% of the time.

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Skellymancer#5263 เขียน:

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Th1sGuy255255#8969 เขียน:

Yea no. Only a few classes have skills that don't require combos the entire rest of the game requires it to get anywhere. Not looking for a fight if you disagree move on

Brother.

Classes do not have skills. It is noob trap, that GGG is trying to force you into specific playstyle. And if you take this noob trap it is your own fault.

Skills are skills, and you have to play the best ones. 99% is non-recyclable garbage.

It doesn't matter where you start on the tree, just path your way to the closest viable clusters, and roll with that works.

I have a warrior that outside of the river starting area have not landed a single melee attack.

And I have merc, that did not land a single range attack.

Play what works, and ignore the stupid GGG skill videos.
So simple.

Yea I'm fully aware of that thanks that why I'm playing a lightning spear ranger. What are you playing warrior? Couldn't see you playing pure lightning arrow because it does no damage and that the point i was trying to make. The point you missed spectacularly trying to be superior as this community always tries to

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JakkerONAIR#4902 เขียน:

Like... the tree and gearing being designed in this way, so it's a very bad idea to do interesting stuff!?

I think his main focus should be to make ENGAME VIABLE BUILD.
And then move to the interesting stuff...

Because how "interesting" can your stuff be, if you are hardstuck doing T1 with 50/50 death rate?

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Th1sGuy255255#8969 เขียน:

What are you playing warrior?

I am using the free 90/90/90 resistance from the warrior. Nothing else.

And if you wanted to do the smart thing, you would do the same. And then path to the ranged section...

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Skellymancer#5263 เขียน:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 เขียน:

Like... the tree and gearing being designed in this way, so it's a very bad idea to do interesting stuff!?

I think his main focus should be to make ENGAME VIABLE BUILD.
And then move to the interesting stuff...

Because how "interesting" can your stuff be, if you are hardstuck doing T1 with 50/50 death rate?

It *should* be possible as long as you farm and optimize your character accordingly.

But too much power is locked behind ascendancies and high stat requirements.

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Skellymancer#5263 เขียน:

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Th1sGuy255255#8969 เขียน:

What are you playing warrior?

I am using the free 90/90/90 resistance from the warrior. Nothing else.

And if you wanted to do the smart thing, you would do the same. And then path to the ranged section...

Cool story bro. I'll play how i want though and I know everyone would benefit from better optimized skills that don't require another skill to do it's base function

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onetruelai#7327 เขียน:

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SpankyKong#9805 เขียน:

What would help to increase build diversity away from one-button/one-shot builds & towards truly varied, combo-based builds... is if just stop with the incessant monster swarming.

Eeeh no. Combos just don't feel good to use ALL THE TIME. A couple of years ago the devs themselves admitted they don't want combos to become repetative but this is exactly what happens in PoE2 if you're masochistic enough to play a combo-based build.

Combos should be situational, not forced. The skill should feel good to use without a combo and then *sometimes* you would choose to combo to cover more area, deal more damage, whatever.

Skills being terrible without a combo is just bad design which adds nothing to the game and results in combos becoming repetative with zero thought behind using them.

Guess which ascendancy class and what kind of "combo" style that is the best for the new Spear archetype ?

Its Deadeye. Its not even an ascendancy class from Huntress, and the best and most efficient play-style to generate frenzy charges is not even doing combo. Most if not all Spear skills have good synergy with consuming frenzy charges, and to generate frenzy charges reliable then consuming them, you either need specific setup or doing certain combo. Unless you are Deadeye of course, since you can easily generate maximum frenzy charges with just only pressing 2 different skill that do not require doing things like parry + disengage, while also able to benefit from the effect that consuming frenzy charges twice.

Single Target / Aoe Damage ? Deadeye wins. Speed and Clear ? Deadeye wins for sure. Frenzy generation and damage payoff when consuming frenzy charge ? Deadeye wins again. To not nerfing but instead buffing Deadeye in 0.2 , where the new Weapon and skills have marvelous synergy with frenzy charges, and letting the current version of Tangletounge made it to the live server, is really baffling.

Mark was keeping hitting on stat-stacking and archmage in ZiggyD interview before 0.2 and for sure they are getting nerf , and yet somehow Deadeye Tangletounge slipped through his nets ? You telling me that people in GGG office cannot fathom the existence of Deadeye that using Tangletounge, having 7 frenzy charges and using skills that synergize very well with consuming frenzy charges while able to make the benefit from consuming frenzy behaves as if consume the charges twice, and also able to generate frenzy charges without a sweat ? Geez guys, it surely is complicated and hard to think. Even the economic impact of infinite ritual reroll tablet is too complicated to be understood.

Just give players complete freedom, remove gems from weapon types and stat requirements.
Stats on gear could stay, though i prefer to see that removed too and for stats to have other scaling potential in mobility, defense or damage.