Build diversity is non-existent

Can we please bring back build diversity.

This entire league is a massive failure in my opinion. The only builds worth making to push end game effectively and efficiently are spear builds on every class. My biggest complaint about this game since launch. There is no reason that spears should dominate every single class as the must have weapon.

IMHO the problem is that GGG learned the wrong lesson with PoE2 0.1.x patches. They got the opinion that players "would not stand for in-season nerfs".

While that will be always true to a degree the lessons they should have learned are:

1. Try to keep builds at least somewhat viable. The triple-nerf GGG loves to employ often leaves a smoldering crater where a build used to be. This may require testing, rolling back some patch changes that were too harsh, etc....

2. Allow for FREE respecs of EVERYTHING for at least a week after any E.A. patch. This will hopefully allow players to spec into other skills, rework their passive & atlas trees, or otherwise somewhat recover from the nerfs IF they hit too hard.

3. If there is anything else, reasonable, that GGG can do to make moving to a new (viable?) build easier then they should do so shortly post-patch.

Speak for yourself metaslave

Exactly.... here is the best example. Spark.

Spark was OP in .1 (With GG gear) <----First point

So lets look at what made it good. Stat stacking / mana stacking, projectile buffs, lightning buffs (most op element always), cast speed, spell damage, etc..

They also observed other casters using Archmage doing tons of damage and said hey, its too good lets bring that down. Makes sense.

So instead of just bringing Archmage down and stat stacking down they nerf about 14 different things that neutered Spark. To the point it is basically unplayable now. Gemling from what I have seen is gone. All mage ascendancies are gone. Monk from what I have seen is basically gone.

Its like how do you not see that nerfing the only thing making them strong that many different ways isn't going to have a massive negative effect.

Also, this is EA. Please start acting like it. Micro buff stuff constantly and micro nerf stuff constantly. This will allow more build diversity. People will always flock to META play. Its unavoidable.

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hboi#6131 เขียน:

Speak for yourself metaslave

What ascendancy and skills do you play with in .2 and what did you play with in .1?

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hboi#6131 เขียน:

Speak for yourself metaslave

Was that to me??

I've played off meta the vast majority of 0.1 and 0.2 to date. After all what idiot plays Mercenary + XBow + Life + Armour/Evasion hybrid and then tries to tweak things into a vaguely functional build.

Or my 0.1 mace Titan ...

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Soulsniper1313#7576 เขียน:

... All mage ascendancies are gone. Monk from what I have seen is basically gone.

Its like how do you not see that nerfing the only thing making them strong that many different ways isn't going to have a massive negative effect.

Also, this is EA. Please start acting like it. Micro buff stuff constantly and micro nerf stuff constantly. This will allow more build diversity. People will always flock to META play. Its unavoidable.

According to Mobalytics, Monk isn't completly dead and gutted as it still has some Lighting Quarterstaff builds which are being played. I've also seen some monks with bows, but all those bow skills were lighting based.

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KingAlamar#4071 เขียน:

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hboi#6131 เขียน:

Speak for yourself metaslave

Was that to me??

I've played off meta the vast majority of 0.1 and 0.2 to date. After all what idiot plays Mercenary + XBow + Life + Armour/Evasion hybrid and then tries to tweak things into a vaguely functional build.

Or my 0.1 mace Titan ...

I am pretty sure they are the same person posting the same exact phrase in other threads. Thats why I asked what they play. Willing to bet something META will be in there.

As for me I had poison conc pathfinder, titan screamer, gemling cursed ground impending doom, and was trying to make a ghetto RF build on infernalist with no success.

In .2 I have a amazon bleed rake build which is ok but I only got it to 67 and didnt buy any gear for it yet.

Spears are the best, sure, but I can think of at least 5 other builds that can clear all the content easily.

Chaos Lich, Rake/Blood Hunt Blood Mage (1shots bosses), Storm Wave/Flicker Invoker, Spark Stormweaver, some flavours of warrior (not my specialty, whatever Carn is playing).

And I'm sure there are more. The meta is shit because every streamer and their mother made a thousand "lightning spear build" videos during the first week and everyone followed like sheep.

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Tommo26#1554 เขียน:

Spears are the best, sure, but I can think of at least 5 other builds that can clear all the content easily.

Chaos Lich, Rake/Blood Hunt Blood Mage (1shots bosses), Storm Wave/Flicker Invoker, Spark Stormweaver, some flavours of warrior (not my specialty, whatever Carn is playing).

And I'm sure there are more. The meta is shit because every streamer and their mother made a thousand "lightning spear build" videos during the first week and everyone followed like sheep.

Im curious to see the spark build you are referring to. Havent seen it myself since .1.

META in LS concerns is also the amount of investment needed to do it vs other builds. If you have absolute best of the best gear yea, almost all skills can work but thats not normally obtainable for 99.99% of the players. Yes streamers hold a lot of sway in it, no doubt but also the ability to get it running is vastly easier.

The rake ignite blood mage build looks like a bug honestly but its no different as a boss killer than HOTG was. Chaos Lich looks fun but from what I saw it requires a ton of top end gear vs LS.