Please remove light stun GGG

"

Kerchunk#7797 เขียน:

"

davieboy1228#6473 เขียน:

why? Because it only really CAN have impact during a boss fight where you can take 2+ slams at once or VERY VERY high level maps where once again multiple slams can hit you at once.

Based on this description it seems like one of us doesn't fully understand this mechanic because a) it absolutely doesn't take a boss slam to light stun me if I get rid of all my ST and b) constantly having my abilities interrupted is going to get me killed regardless of whether or not there's a boss there to slam me.

Oh I know you get light stunned all the time. I put on a stun charm just to see how often it was happening on a melee character with 2k life and no ST, and the stun charm never actually kept a use in reserve, it burned through both charges within the first 4 packs and then was being used on CD of it being available again. However, I was not DYING to those mobs light stunning me, because I could flask through them. Which is why I said, the mechanic does not add challenge to the game. Because trash mobs are not going to kill you through the light stun before you can react again since flasks CAN be used even while cc'd (saves me all the time when I get frozen), meaning it is only a threat on bigger slams or very large packs, which once again do not really happen in trash mobs until high level maps if you are playing at all carefully. That is the point I was making.

"

Mashgesture#2912 เขียน:

Theres a lot wrong in here.


With the word "annoying"

Yea I mean, dying is annoying. Should we remove that? Remove damage against us its "annoying"

Just because you dont like something doesnt mean it should get removed.



You are also saying stun threshold is hard to build outside of life and "bricked by CI"❌ .

Thats not true at all. There are many ES nodes providing stun threshold/ailment based on max %ES on the tree.


If CI builds are getting stun locked they either,

1) Didnt take any stun threshold nodes from energy shield. Which is right next to several of the biggest ES nodes on the tree (I take them on a hybrid build even)

The caster tree starts with a really easy grab on one as well. Providing big ES.


2) Or didnt grab a stun charm.


I personally grab both; but it sounds like the people you are describing are either at such a high enough ES that they dont care to get stunned.

Or too low on ES that they dont even bother taking nodes to prevent mass stuns.



Most of the ES builds kill everything far away for it to really matter as a stat as well.

Have you EVER died because of light stun outside of a major slam attack coming right after the stun or getting swarmed under by a full horde of mobs? If that answer is no (which I imagine it is, as that is the case for me), then all the mechanic does in 99% of the game is cause a break in your skill chaining. It is not actually a threat, it is an annoyance. Until this patch with multiple double bosses, I never once died to light stun, even with no stun threshold built. However, this patch I AM building stun threshold on a lot of my characters, and I still get light stunned into multiple boss slams. THAT is why I say the mechanic is just annoying and does not actually do anything.

Stun charms have a finite duration and charge amount. If you are in a boss fight, and you did not roll a "gains charges per second" on the charm, you have to make sure you dodge literally everything. Given how hectic boss arenas can get, that is not a feasible strat.

The one I saw was of DM, and yea he had so much energy shield, plus damage taken from mana first, plus mana regen that he was never going to die. But he also could not do anything because he was permanently stunned, so sat there for like 2 minutes while the King of the Mists wailed on him to no avail, but unable to fight back before finally logging and resetting the fight. was actually hilarious to watch, but would be frustrating to have happen to you.

"

davieboy1228#6473 เขียน:

Have you EVER died because of light stun outside of a major slam attack coming right after the stun or getting swarmed under by a full horde of mobs?

Yup actually happens depending on juice, mechanics in play, what mods are in play etc.

It can and will happen. I have plenty of stun threshold too on my hybrid build as well as a charm. Just happened on cd for the charm and get stuck sometimes on terrain (skill issue positioning issue etc..)




DM died to king of the mist ? Seriously from a permanent stun?




Id like to see this can you link this?

I like light stun a lot, run to a rare, lightstun him with a mace strike so he can´t take any action, then he falls on the ground heavy stunned and before he gets up he´s dead. great and fun mechanic.

"

Mashgesture#2912 เขียน:

Stun threshold, build it/get more life.

Its a mod that was placed in the game to have these tough decisions of not just taking every damage node on the tree.

Its also on gear as well.



They need to put it on your stat page though

Where can I take life on the tree?

"

Soulsniper1313#7576 เขียน:

"

Mashgesture#2912 เขียน:

Stun threshold, build it/get more life.

Its a mod that was placed in the game to have these tough decisions of not just taking every damage node on the tree.

Its also on gear as well.



They need to put it on your stat page though

Where can I take life on the tree?

If you really think higher hp is the only thing for stun threshold you maybe should play a tutorial on how to use the searchbar in the tree and how to read.

No.
Chaos Inoculation has been buffed enough.
It doesn't need any more help.

"

quarki#9020 เขียน:

"

Soulsniper1313#7576 เขียน:

"

Mashgesture#2912 เขียน:

Stun threshold, build it/get more life.

Its a mod that was placed in the game to have these tough decisions of not just taking every damage node on the tree.

Its also on gear as well.



They need to put it on your stat page though

Where can I take life on the tree?

If you really think higher hp is the only thing for stun threshold you maybe should play a tutorial on how to use the searchbar in the tree and how to read.

Did you not say, and I quote again.... "Stun threshold, build it/get more life."

I know where to get stun threshold. I asked where to get life. Since you mentioned to not just get damage on the tree implying to use the points else where.

This is part of the problem with ES builds as well. They have much higher pools than life and also have nodes that allow it to be used for stun threshold as well meaning with less investment they can scale that higher than life.

"

Soulsniper1313#7576 เขียน:

Did you not say, and I quote again.... "Stun threshold, build it/get more life."

I know where to get stun threshold. I asked where to get life. Since you mentioned to not just get damage on the tree implying to use the points else where.

This is part of the problem with ES builds as well. They have much higher pools than life and also have nodes that allow it to be used for stun threshold as well meaning with less investment they can scale that higher than life.

Actually I said that and it says .... yea build more stun threshold, build it/get more life.


As in you have more options than just life to build.


ES builds do NOT struggle with stun or getting stun threshold, you have stun threshold nodes all over the tree and they come with ailment threshold as well.

On top of them being right next to and connected to large %increased ES nodes.




This is what I was saying, you have to choose not to just take every damage node on the tree and go for nodes like this.


Life has to do the same thing but with armour/% stun threshold nodes on the bottom left.

"

Soulsniper1313#7576 เขียน:

Did you not say, and I quote again.... "Stun threshold, build it/get more life."

I know where to get stun threshold. I asked where to get life. Since you mentioned to not just get damage on the tree implying to use the points else where.

This is part of the problem with ES builds as well. They have much higher pools than life and also have nodes that allow it to be used for stun threshold as well meaning with less investment they can scale that higher than life.

Looks like reading is not your strong suite, as I've said. Since I have not said "Stun threshold, build it/get more life".

But good thing you're quoting "me".

El. oh. él.