Path of Exile Fan Art Competition

Ah, you go again with that argument. Why the hell would I not sell them if I want to sell them? I would be losing currency that way; while I sort my inventory after a map and wait for the portals to the new map appear, I can usually sell a couple cheap items, and that the way it's convenient for me; I'm not going to put the convenience of others over my own, and that does not make me an egoist, on the contrary - the egoists are people who expect me to do things that would be convenient for them.

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k_f_2 เขียน:

Gosh - talk about not being able to put yourself in other people's shoes when all they are doing is trying to buy items you yourself put for sale.

But I do put myself in other people's shoes; that's why when I want some cheap item, I'm fully prepared to go through 10+ listings; I often /whois the player to see what he's doing to know whether it's worth it to try whispering them a bit later if I still don't have what I want; and most importantly, if I want an item listed for 1c and nobody is replying, whispering to anyone who's listing that item for 2c usually does the trick. Why? Because one of the aspect of pricing stuff is how much convenience are you going to provide the buyer; listing the cheapest you have the power to dictate your rules, because you won't have a shortage of buyers. You will sell it whenever it is convenient for you, it's not like the buyers stream will run dry if you're always the cheapest. If you're one of those people who are willing to waste 5 portals every map jumping to HO to trade - that's a good reason to list your items higher, because you're providing extra service in form of convenience.

But don't even attempt to claim that it's 'bad' or 'assholish' to not do things the second way and not the first way.

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k_f_2 เขียน:

You're just being rude, that's all I was saying.

No I am not. You know who's being rude? The people who post PSA on reddit before a short race is starting (like Mayhem, Turmoil, Flashback etc), telling people to unlist their main league (Harbinger/Abyss/Bestiary etc) items from public tabs, because OH THOSE POOR PEOPLE FROM THOSE MAIN LEAGUES WHO WILL WASTE THEIR TIME WHISPERING YOU. Now THOSE people are exceptionally egoistic and rude. It's actually amazing how they don't even stop to think how ridiculous their guilt-tripping tactics are, considering that they are the egoists in those situations.

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k_f_2 เขียน:

The picture was in reference to price fixers anyway but it seemed to have triggered something in you regardless, probably cos you could relate with the A-hole in the picture.

It triggers me because you (and a large part of economically illiterate reddit and official forums community) have very little understanding of what price fixing is (unless you've ever tried buying items worth multiple exalts, you most likely have never encountered any price fixing in this game at all) and you basically slander normal players, accusing literally everyone who doesn't do things the way you want in some crimes.

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k_f_2 เขียน:

Your post does "reek" of entitlement, egoism and basically stating only care about yourself / your own needs and stuff other people if it doesn't suit you.

That's not 'entitlement' or 'egoism'. Yes, I put myself over others. Everybody does. And saying that others should put their needs before yours while seriously believing that you are being a good, non-egoistic, non-rude guy, is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

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k_f_2 เขียน:

All you need to do is not sell 1c items and that would solve your problem, but no...

No, I don't need that. I want to sell 1c items and I will continue to sell items. Sure, I'll meet some egoistic spergs from time to time who will spam my PM, call me a price-fixer and generally fail to have some human decency and realize that if someone doesn't reply, it must be for a reason, but thankfully, there is the ignore function in this game. Sadly, it doesn't save from people occasionally posting such ridiculous 'cool advice'.

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k_f_2 เขียน:

No one is expecting you to put your goals and needs above your own...

That's literally what you're saying here for quite some time now, starting with 'just don't list 1c items' and 'just put dnd'.

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k_f_2 เขียน:

but how does that relate to plain common courtesy / manners ?

Well, easy: all players who trade large amounts of items, run maps a lot and generally play on a high level, know the general possible things other players are doing in the game; when you know that people might have many possible reasons why they don't reply to your message, that's when common courtesy/manners would suggest to not bother them. They might have a million possible reasons to not reply to me, and that's none of my business.

Same goes for 1c/expensive items. I know that even if that guy is already at the 3rd Izaro in the uber lab right now, and he did see my message, he won't respond to me after the lab for a 1c item; not because he's a douche-bag, but because he fully understands that by that time I will already find what I need, because 1c items are commodities, not some deficit goods. At the same time, if I found a one-in-a-million rare belt I've been searching for days and I want to buy it for 20ex, I know that I most likely won't have to even whisper him again - he'll come back to me when he returns. In any case, I know that if someone doesn't respond to me, they must have a reason, and this reason is not my business. Yes, I want their item, but for whatever reasons they can't sell it to me. Instead of flipping my shit and running around calling those people assholes or price-fixers, the common courtesy and manners tell me to keep searching for the item I want.

Now, guys like you mostly don't chain-run maps with uber-strict+ filters, play it slow, buy challenges and stuff - of course people are free playing however the fuck they want, the issue is, players like you often fail to even imagine that people might play the game a different way; for your tempo and capital, going to town for every 1c item and actually responding to everyone might look fine, just like picking up RGB items for chromatics or collecting the chaos recipe. But the issue is, you try to project this on everyone else; and that shows that actually you lack common courtesy and manners by expecting everyone to slow down to your tempo.

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k_f_2 เขียน:

Does it actually take away your "needs" if you just let them know you're in some intense mapping mode and are not trading low items at that time?

I get those whispers literally every ~10 seconds. The map lasts ~2 minutes. By responding to all ~12 whispers I'd receive during the map, I'll bring the whole duration of the map at least up by a minute, or ~50%. That would mean I'll run 50% less maps than usual during my session, making 50% less value than usual. Tell me how that doesn't affect my needs.

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k_f_2 เขียน:

People have responded to me many times saying they aren't trading for whatever reason (sometimes they are in a different league and don't want to switch over, sometimes they give no reason, but just let me know so I'm not waiting), which is OK:) It doesn't make it more "convenient" for other person (they still can't buy your item)

No, that's exactly what it is - your convenience. People who trade a lot do not 'wait' for something - if it's an expensive item and the person doesn't respond, you /whois them, check when they come to HO, and then try again. If it's a commodity, you wait a couple of seconds and go for the next seller. That is being courteous and respectful of other people and their time.

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k_f_2 เขียน:

It's not like it wasn't your own fault in the first place for putting 1c maps for sale if you don't want the disturbance.

There you go again with this absurd argument. It's not my 'fault'. I want to sell them, I will sell them when it's comfortable for me, and I do sell them all eventually. I'm not complaining about the disturbance, those messages don't disturb me; I'm complaining about the goddamn egoists who genuinely believe that I should waste my time and my capital to please other people.

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k_f_2 เขียน:

Anyway, glad this has got people talking! Showed some of my friends and they loved it... even the "guilty" ones thought it was funny:)

Good for you, perhaps some of those friends might consider the possibility of not being egoistic assholes in the future, so trading would be more pleasant for everyone.