[Outdated] Ultimate EDTrickster [2M dps - UNKILLABLE]

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Darkxellmc เขียน:

Not sure why twitter is saying it's shit, I don't think they even understand how wither works.

Probably. :) I've seen someone asking on a bane thread whether this is a nerf because of loss of chaos multi from corruption.

But with cluster jewels we got ways to add more chaos multi to builds so having ~5 nodes with chaos multi stars feeling very generic, I think it's nice they're trying to add some identity to nodes, and I expect they're adding it on witch side because occultist already has synergy with withered (a passive aura for it).

@DarkXellmc

Are the expected changes likely to still keep this build achievable for players without a deep understanding of game/lack of time to build high levels of currency?

I can still find around 10ex achievable, but beyond that would probably not be realistic.


BTW, your flowcharts are some of the most userfriendly tools I have seen in any guide in POE.

Thanks for you effort. Looking forward to the 3.11 refresh.

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infrasonicreturns เขียน:

@DarkXellmc

Are the expected changes likely to still keep this build achievable for players without a deep understanding of game/lack of time to build high levels of currency?

I can still find around 10ex achievable, but beyond that would probably not be realistic.


BTW, your flowcharts are some of the most userfriendly tools I have seen in any guide in POE.

Thanks for you effort. Looking forward to the 3.11 refresh.

While there's definitely going to be a few changes, the progression style will be very similar. Bruises through leveling and early endgame, mediocre against mid tier endgame, subpar on your first t16s while you have no investment, and quickly back up to super smooth mapping after you invested a few exs.

You've played it, you know what to expect, it'll be similar ^^
Actually, mapping should feel smoother earlier on, since cluster jewel requirement is lessened. But let's be honest, that's a very small change overall.

Btw: How would you guys feel on dropping wither totem entirely and use blight to apply wither?
It'd leave us space for a 3l CwDT setup, and with a second wind flame dash, we probably can use shitty steps instead of phase run (frenzies, wither and elusive...?).
I'll keep experimenting this weekend to put up an updated guide before release. Always a bit hard to release something in such a short window between patch notes and launch day ^^'

Power creep question incoming: can this build do a T19 100% Delirious map?
Trying to compare power to some other builds claiming this, e.g. the Low Life DD+VD Spellsinger.

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Jadran เขียน:

Power creep question incoming: can this build do a T19 100% Delirious map?
Trying to compare power to some other builds claiming this, e.g. the Low Life DD+VD Spellsinger.

Haven't tried it. Probably not, at least definitely not comfortably.

ED's damage is just going to be too low, and there are nasty oneshots, especially from beyond, that are going to hurt very bad. I don't know if it would actually kill you, but ED is definitely not a skill I'd use for juiced t19s.

Why aren't you just running a temp chains HH setup like the cool boys tho? Winter orb probably being the best one...

Another possibility for next league -- the new timeless jewel keystone Chainbreaker looks pretty awesome:



This gives us access to rage, which by itself is a nice 10% buff to movement speed, but isn't too crazy beyond that. However, with a berserk skill, things may get a bit more interesting.

Berserk (https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Berserk) "Consumes Rage at an accelerating rate to provide a powerful buff, granting more attack damage, attack speed, movement speed, and less damage taken" -- basically, we can consume our built-up rage for a flat 20% less damage taken at gem lvl 21, on top of 30% MS. May be worth socketing in somewhere if we can otherwise meet the str req for the gem. From my calculations on Berserk, with no increased mana regen taken on the tree and a default rage pool of 50, we should be able to have the buff up for 7 seconds before we run out and have to recharge, with % increases in mana (rage) regen massively extending the amount of time we could keep the buff active. With a second wind support on berserk, we can get that CD between casts all the way down to 3.5s, meaning we should be able to have a flat 20% reduction in damage up more than 2/3 of the time, or at the very least have access to a full rage pool for any boss encounter.

I think this build works great with this mechanic, as we rarely actually 'hit' anything, other than on an initial ED cast, meaning that we should have max / close to max rage up on a regular basis.

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Darkxellmc เขียน:

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Jadran เขียน:

Power creep question incoming: can this build do a T19 100% Delirious map?
Trying to compare power to some other builds claiming this, e.g. the Low Life DD+VD Spellsinger.

Haven't tried it. Probably not, at least definitely not comfortably.

ED's damage is just going to be too low, and there are nasty oneshots, especially from beyond, that are going to hurt very bad. I don't know if it would actually kill you, but ED is definitely not a skill I'd use for juiced t19s.

Why aren't you just running a temp chains HH setup like the cool boys tho? Winter orb probably being the best one...

Would you still recommend league starting with ED / contagion if you're going to spend a bunch of time in t17+ maps? Probably not 100% delirium but still fairly juiced?

I love ED / contagion and your build looks sick, but my whole in game economy is based on getting to and sitting in t17+ maps for the ilvl 84+ drops.

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Darkxellmc เขียน:

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Jadran เขียน:

Power creep question incoming: can this build do a T19 100% Delirious map?
Trying to compare power to some other builds claiming this, e.g. the Low Life DD+VD Spellsinger.

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Why aren't you just running a temp chains HH setup like the cool boys tho? Winter orb probably being the best one...

I'm way too much of a bad player for that, was never able to afford a HH or any other very high end item.

But I do love to compare builds in theory before I pick one to play in a new league, and then invariably get burned out somewhere in mid-red maps, and take a break :)

ED feels great to play, probably one of the best feeling builds I've tried, besides a max block Necro back before Mistress of Sacrifice + Bone Offering got nerfed.

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Jadran เขียน:

I'm way too much of a bad player for that, was never able to afford a HH or any other very high end item.

But I do love to compare builds in theory before I pick one to play in a new league, and then invariably get burned out somewhere in mid-red maps, and take a break :)

In that case there's not much point for looking for the "theoretically best" build because that means you completely not count the budget of the build.

Best build for a mirror? Definitely not ED.

But if you never expect to get a mirror or enough currency for it, that's a bit of a moot point.

You should ask yourself 1) what's your typical budget in a league 2) which playstyles you enjoy 3) which of those you can build a functional character on your set budget.

For example let's say your budget is 1 ex, and the best build for that is "ball lightning mines" but you don't like mines, then what? You'd hate playing it and not enjoy the league at all.

So yeah. If you never plan to run a lvl 19 double beyond full sextant + scarab 100% delirious map... no need to build for it. Plus probably only herald stackers enjoyed themselves in those, and that build is gonna go poof when patch lands.

And yes, I've seen that LL VD build (if that's the one where guy has standard gear with legacy Rumi's flask), it takes a lot of investment to get it to the point where it blows everything up. The guy himself tells people don't league start with that version, go for the budget life based VD and swap later.

You can always start with some budget build and if you happen to be lucky and drop a mirror or something similarly flashy, just roll another character of "whatever is the most OP build of the season".