3.14 KING OF ALL SUMMONERS. Zombies & Skeletons & Spectres on STEROIDS! | League-Start to End-Game

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brunowa เขียน:

Just done some further tidying up of the guide, namely:

- Ranged Spectres section in Alternate Setups
- Video section
- Spectres and AG section
- Pantheon section

I will be updating the Gear, POB, and Tree section once the patch notes are released. Some minor updates to make us even more awesome.

I may even add the Ranged Spectres Setup as another primary option considering it's a playstyle that's pretty fucking epic... but I don't want to overload people with too many options :P

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Elorathiel เขียน:

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crazypearce เขียน:

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papagoja1 เขียน:

Thanks. Missed that on FAQ. Will dubbelcheck that tomorrow.
Also made you able to check my char.
Im not rich but have 9ex and 700c to invest. Maybe more if other gear sells

curse on hit gloves, so you can replace the aura in your chest. better rings, neither of them have life/ES and one is strengthless. can try your hand at crafting an influenced amulet with %str and %attributes. helm enchant, awkened melee phys, lvl 21 AG, a watcher's eye. lots of different things you can do so take your pick

Not trying to tear down your solid advice as I've only recently come to this change through knowledge provided in this thread, but personally I think curse on hit gloves are a bad investment. Not only is the Merveil Retainer curse better in every way, it also tends to hit much more mobs. I sold off my curse on hit gloves and now use a much cheaper +2 auras. I also added a Hellion spectre because the buff is nice. I'm finding that just a single Carnage Chieftain and Host Chieftain seem to be enough to keep up the frenzy/power charges. I feel this combination of spectres is better but I have no mathematics to support this assertion, just a personal anecdote and based on how it feels.

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BopMajster เขียน:

How often does marveil cast curse?

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im seeing alot talking about marveil retainer, but noone here has really done any research about it. I asked this around 100 pages back, but no answer yet. How often does marveil cast curse?
poedb shows, that marveil has many skills. does she cycle them? is this vulnerability usable only on bosses? if she cast vulnerability every 3 seconds or so, then i think its pretty crapy and not worth it at all. bosses die in 3 seconds. And i imagine, its even worse on maps.
if you use curse on hit gloves, you curse bosses more or less inmidiatly and its not totaly useless in maps also. Can some of you guys test, how often does she curse and make research around that?

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DarkAvenger2279 เขียน:

There is no more shapshotting right? So if I cast a spectre with Empower as its support then replace Empower with Blodmagic, then this very spectre will lose levels and gain blood magic? Or will the change in links apply only to future spectres?

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brunowa เขียน:

I guess it comes down to consistency of it.

I haven't tested it extensively but when I did it seemed to work well, but so do gloves.

I am indifferent as to what is better.

Even running both would work, particularly if you have a playstyle like mine where your aim is to simply run through packs as much as possible without cycloning.

It would also depend on where you have auras. If you're putting auras in gloves then you get a little boost, but if you're going full chest aura mode then there is not a need for aura gloves.

Personal taste really. Either way everything melts just as fast :D

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Elorathiel เขียน:

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brunowa เขียน:

I guess it comes down to consistency of it.

I haven't tested it extensively but when I did it seemed to work well, but so do gloves.

I am indifferent as to what is better.

Even running both would work, particularly if you have a playstyle like mine where your aim is to simply run through packs as much as possible without cycloning.

It would also depend on where you have auras. If you're putting auras in gloves then you get a little boost, but if you're going full chest aura mode then there is not a need for aura gloves.

Personal taste really. Either way everything melts just as fast :D

I really enjoyed your guide and it found it to be quite helpful. It enabled me to have a great league. The only improvement I would suggest is to perhaps indicate where people can go when they wish to continue to gear (in this case over-gear) their character. After I completed the initial defensive build, I was very satisfied but for me personally, I prefer to continue to have improvements to chase. For me, this was to chase down the gear and perhaps an example passive-tree required to modify the build for CI.

In addition, I'd like to see more mention of convoking wands. It is not significantly hard to craft +1 all spell skill and +1 all minion skill wands. Dual wielding these wands is ultra viable and may very well be the absolute best in slot weapons for the build. I get that a 2H is typically more cost effective alternative, especially when it comes to entry level weapons, and the build seeks to be a very strong or perhaps even the ultimate, cost effective build. You mentioned you like to run through packs and cyclone as little as possible and so do I. Dual wands allowed me to delete cyclone altogether because of spell trigger. It truly simplifies the build for those who just want to blitz through maps as fast as possible, as cyclone is basically a self-snare that doesn't feel rewarding at all to channel because the damage is negligible.

Perhaps it was never your intention to take the guide further for us extreme min-maxers and that's okay. When I was looking for information regarding upgraded set ups and CI, there was little information available so I had to stalk profiles and scour poeninja builds to get some ideas to aid me in determining where I wanted to take the build to get even more out of it.

In short, I understand the build can do the majority of the content in the game just fine and that is no small feat but I'd like to see how we can push the envelope and not just stop progressing when we can kill everything. For me, and others I assume, ARPGs are about the continuous chase for better gear and the pursuit for more powerful characters, both offensively and defensively.

Thank you for the effort and time you put in to create a guide for the community.