3.14 KING OF ALL SUMMONERS. Zombies & Skeletons & Spectres on STEROIDS! | League-Start to End-Game
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Bbudt เขียน:
can i not stack TWO x Ravenous Horde???? Where does it say that I cannot? in what rule book?? show me.... please.
Where do i see that minions always hit? and WHY do they offer accuracy on the tree if they in fact always hit? totally bizzare to me..
I am above 1000 str.
Blood and sand is just a filler... I cannot use flesh and stone cos other said auras plus F+S do total too high!!!!!
yes i constantly use cyclone to tank bosses, sometimes i get one shotted like on Minotaur i did..
Empower and Enlightened will take me 100 years to level the rate im going. Do you people even have full time jobs???
correction 3 rare jewels. It seemed to me that all my rare jewels offer much more than any unique jewel could..
What an entitled and disrespectful answer, people are taking their time to look through your shitfest of a build, helping you fix it. When you're shit at the game you need to listen to people who know better and stop questionning it with that condescending shit eating grin, you ungrateful swine
I have additional curse and 10%life as ES on my AG’s chest, and am using TC from AG’s gloves and Vuln from a spectre.
As I already have two curses elsewhere I assume I have a spare socket on Geofri’s chest I could use for skeletons?
Also is blasphemy on chest doing anything for me, or should I put something else there now?
Any other advice appreciated (just keep it cheap, I already know about lvl4s, lvl21s and timeless)
The blasphemy is not doing you anything so you can remove it. I don't know how much mana you have left but you should see if you can sneak in another aura.
I would start looking towards the end game flask set up. To start the end game you should have have 1 life, 1 movement and three defensive flasks.
I have additional curse and 10%life as ES on my AG’s chest, and am using TC from AG’s gloves and Vuln from a spectre.
As I already have two curses elsewhere I assume I have a spare socket on Geofri’s chest I could use for skeletons?
Also is blasphemy on chest doing anything for me, or should I put something else there now?
Any other advice appreciated (just keep it cheap, I already know about lvl4s, lvl21s and timeless)
The blasphemy is not doing you anything so you can remove it. I don't know how much mana you have left but you should see if you can sneak in another aura.
I would start looking towards the end game flask set up. To start the end game you should have have 1 life, 1 movement and three defensive flasks.
Sadly only 11% mana left. Not even able to run the Pride aura (as using Astramentis for stats rather than Auls with pride).
Tempted to remove blasphemy, pride and the unused vuln and make a 3 link skeleton in the chest (easier than six linking the damn thing). Wondering about skel/brutality/melee phys ?
That said, as I play on Xbox and have no spare buttons left to bind, I’d prefer something useful that was ‘fire and forget’
Yes I hear you about the flasks, got the life, the quicksilver and the rumi flask done but tbh the mana one is there to speed up the session start (zombie summons) and the second life flask is just waiting for something nice to roll on a util flask.
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Long post, sorry - saw a few things over the last couple of pages that didn't get responses.
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Zeratul_PL เขียน:
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Sarclol เขียน:
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Zeratul_PL เขียน:
Hi guys,
Could anyone take a look on my summoner? I know that picking "tanky option" will rpovide less dmg than speed one, but i have a feeling that i got stuck. PoB shows around 230k dps per zombie (can summon 15), but i got a feeling that i should be melting bosses and maps without issues, maybe even conquerors... but i need at least 30 sec for a conqueror to be killed, metamorphs take a moment as well, and even shaper guardians are not as fast and easy as i was expecting. Did i missed someting? What should i aim to improve next?
I'm not using AG yet - will it improve dps a lot?
Honestly mate, it doesn't look like there's any key thing missing. You should try to go for a Lethal Pride. How much strength do you have right now? From a glance it looks like you should be close to that 1500/16 zombie breakpoint.
If you're running things at Awakening Level 8, remember that bosses and metamorphs will have 24% more health, and any mods that increase their toughness (things like Unique Boss Life, Monster Life, Physical Damage reduction) will also be increased and make things seem like they take AGES to kill. Any time I was having a slower map than usual, I checked to see if I had those mods on the map. There's not much you can do about that with the tanky setup other than deal with it, but it is offset by having Hatred in the balanced/speed setups.
For AG, it's 10% less damage you need to do to mobs.
I have currently 1256 str/15 zombies - so it's not that clsoe to 1500 str ;)
Lethal Pride? Isn't it defensive option, according to FAQ? Yesterday i get Eternal Hubris but was unlucky with divines (max 80% minion dmg, while lossing a lot of str).
It's not a defensive option, it's just an option. Elegant Hubris is the offensive option, but you lose a ton of strength to do so - which is EHP AND damage (and potentially another zombie). If you dropped a Lethal Pride with 10% strength into your build right now you'd probably hit 1400+ strength, which would let you start minmaxing for 1500. (Technically Glorious Vanity could be the defensive option with a well-rolled one giving you a ton of Energy Shield and resists, including chaos resists.)
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Timbo Zero เขียน:
Excuse the daft question but I am confused about curse limits.
If I have the suggested AG gear used and am using a Merviles Retainer spectre, will those two curses fight each other or (as they are different sources) compliment each other ?
Assuming the later (and that I have vuln provided by the spectre) I assume my vuln/blast gems in Geofri chest are wasted and I could/should replace them with something (perhaps Vaal skeletons and FF)?
Do you have curse on hit on AG or something? AG is its own "character," basically, so it has its own curse limit. If you have "can apply an additional curse," that does NOT apply to AG, but you can apply a second curse if the AG applies first; if AG has "can apply an additional curse," that does NOT apply to you, but the AG can apply a second curse if you apply yours first.
And yeah, two sources of Vuln aren't going to stack, so if you're running Vuln/Blasphemy AND a Merveil's Retainer, you'll never get the benefit of Merveil's since your constant AOE aura will overwrite anything she does.
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Mubbsy เขียน:
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Mubbsy เขียน:
True, i didn't think about that, but does it actually intimidate enemies from my cyclone hits if that isn't linked. Is it just a modifier to any actual attacks? (as it doesn't give zombies intimidate unfortunately)
Also Awakened Melee Phys only gives a 10% chance to intimidate for 4 seconds... that means we'd have enemies intimidated hardly ever correct, even on a boss you'd have to sit on him for 10s to intimidate, and he's gonna be dead already by then.
Watcher's eye is 100% chance, so no sitting and waiting... am I missing something here?
Or is watcher's eye still superior?
I'm curious why you think it doesn't apply to Zombies. It applies to the linked skill, which would be Zombies, and therefore each zombie would have a 10% chance on hit to apply the free intimidate for 4s.
Watcher's Eye in comparison is directly inferior while mapping because it requires you to be spinning on top of whatever you want to be intimidated - and zombies fan out quite a bit. On bosses they're going to be very similar.
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RinnzlerFRL เขียน:
Ps: bought a bottled faith and it didn't feel much of an upgrade so i guess I'll resell it and get some other upgrade. Btw any suggestions on what to get? I'm sitting at 16xx str / 16 zombies and 15k ehp. Dps feels ok (doesn't bother me killing things in 5-10 sec) but i do want to min max the tanky set up. I've changed alberons for stampede and it feels so nice even tho i lost some dps. I'm currently sitting at 25ish ex. I want to drop my PoE but that's the only thing that caps out my resistances lol so maybe I'll need a new set of rings.
Bottled Faith is the only offensive flask that we can really get any use out of in the build, which is why most of the end-game builds are running it. On its own, it's not going to give you a tremendous power spike, especially considering how strong you are already. In my POB for instance, it's about an 80k dps increase per zombie.
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FreXation เขียน:
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Bbudt เขียน:
can i not stack TWO x Ravenous Horde???? Where does it say that I cannot? in what rule book?? show me.... please.
Where do i see that minions always hit? and WHY do they offer accuracy on the tree if they in fact always hit? totally bizzare to me..
I am above 1000 str.
Blood and sand is just a filler... I cannot use flesh and stone cos other said auras plus F+S do total too high!!!!!
yes i constantly use cyclone to tank bosses, sometimes i get one shotted like on Minotaur i did..
Empower and Enlightened will take me 100 years to level the rate im going. Do you people even have full time jobs???
correction 3 rare jewels. It seemed to me that all my rare jewels offer much more than any unique jewel could..
What an entitled and disrespectful answer, people are taking their time to look through your shitfest of a build, helping you fix it. When you're shit at the game you need to listen to people who know better and stop questionning it with that condescending shit eating grin, you ungrateful swine
This doesn't really help either, mate. There's actually 0 helpful information in this post for anyone.
I wonder if zombies will be nerfed again. Looking at PoB I was curious how much dmg will be if instead of zombies I have Skelletons... well my zombies do around 1.2 million dmg to shaper, skelletons do 3.3million, my build will do literally 2.5 times more dmg... Skelletons are beyond broken, maybe that will save this build to get a direct nerf, I hope it is the case.
Excuse the daft question but I am confused about curse limits.
If I have the suggested AG gear used and am using a Merviles Retainer spectre, will those two curses fight each other or (as they are different sources) compliment each other ?
Assuming the later (and that I have vuln provided by the spectre) I assume my vuln/blast gems in Geofri chest are wasted and I could/should replace them with something (perhaps Vaal skeletons and FF)?
Do you have curse on hit on AG or something? AG is its own "character," basically, so it has its own curse limit. If you have "can apply an additional curse," that does NOT apply to AG, but you can apply a second curse if the AG applies first; if AG has "can apply an additional curse," that does NOT apply to you, but the AG can apply a second curse if you apply yours first.
And yeah, two sources of Vuln aren't going to stack, so if you're running Vuln/Blasphemy AND a Merveil's Retainer, you'll never get the benefit of Merveil's since your constant AOE aura will overwrite anything she does.
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Thanks for the reply.
Yes I have the Mervilles spectre doing Vuln and the Asenath gloves on the AG doing TC. (AG chest has +1 curse)
So the chest basically has three spare sockets (not using Pride as only have 11% mana left atm)
Thinking I could move the auras to boots and make a stronger cyclone link?
Or is there something else I could do that is essentially automatic use (Xbox p,Ayer and no spare binds left)?
(ALL typos lack of caps, punctuation and general errors are copyright Timbo Industries - Laziness Division)
I've been using the tanky setup with the Geof. With both the aura and skeleton setup in OP. Then I've tried other aura setups, and about an hour ago switched to the current one (holy relic, purity of elements). I looked at JCOH35's setup, and I forgot who else had something similar.
No luck getting a 21 zombie, so I'm leveling up a few gems again, struck out on a level 4 empower, so doing a few of those too.
I don't feel as strong compared to other peoples experiences running the aura setup. If I run vaal skel, I burn through bosses much faster though.
If I switch some Alberon to Stamped, it's a 1428 to 1289 in terms of strength. If I change my current two-stone, I'd probably get another 20-30 str from it, but I'd have to play around with my resistances again, and might possibly lose a gem slot for more res.
Without actually changing anything in the config in POB (minions using charges, consec. ground, etc), I'm sitting at 136k combined dps.
I'm probably missing something super obvious.
edit - swapped out flame dash atm to level up a zombie gem in the unset ring
Thanks for the reply.
Yes I have the Mervilles spectre doing Vuln and the Asenath gloves on the AG doing TC. (AG chest has +1 curse)
So the chest basically has three spare sockets (not using Pride as only have 11% mana left atm)
Thinking I could move the auras to boots and make a stronger cyclone link?
Or is there something else I could do that is essentially automatic use (Xbox p,Ayer and no spare binds left)?
Okay, so in that case you'll need Merveil's Retainer to apply her curse first, then the AG will apply Temp Chains and both will take effect. It'll eventually work out that way (like it shouldn't prevent you from applying Vulnerability, that will just overwrite TC when it is applied, then it gets reapplied on its next hit).
I'm not sure if you're doing these calcs in POB or in game, so I'm not sure what you've done yet (I'm just going off your character, so I apologize if you're already doing things I suggest).
You can move Purity of Elements to where Blasphemy is so it benefits from Enlighten. Do you need (or want) both of those for defense? When I ran the tanky setup I was running Flesh and Stone/Maim (28), Pride (50), and Skitterbots (35) in my chest with Enlighten 4 and a movement skill. Then I used Generosity/Dread Banner (10) in my gloves. If that interests you, you might be able to do that with Enlighten 3 if you ran Pride, (a 35% aura of your choice), Flesh and Stone (without Maim), and Dread Banner in your chest. Really just comes down to what you feel comfortable with.
You could also swap your cyclone link into your chest and swap auras to gloves or boots if you're not running pride. You can add Infused Channeling to the cyclone link as a lot of people do for an extra defensive layer, or add Maim to that link - lots of options there.
If I had to pick one, I'd recommend trying to fiddle with the auras a bit more, though. You should be able to fit one 50, one 35, one 25, and one 10 with Sovereignty and Enlighten 3.
Also the 16% damage on your belt doesn't benefit the zombies, only you, so you can replace that with a Life craft. :)
Thanks for the reply.
Yes I have the Mervilles spectre doing Vuln and the Asenath gloves on the AG doing TC. (AG chest has +1 curse)
So the chest basically has three spare sockets (not using Pride as only have 11% mana left atm)
Thinking I could move the auras to boots and make a stronger cyclone link?
Or is there something else I could do that is essentially automatic use (Xbox p,Ayer and no spare binds left)?
Okay, so in that case you'll need Merveil's Retainer to apply her curse first, then the AG will apply Temp Chains and both will take effect. It'll eventually work out that way (like it shouldn't prevent you from applying Vulnerability, that will just overwrite TC when it is applied, then it gets reapplied on its next hit).
I'm not sure if you're doing these calcs in POB or in game, so I'm not sure what you've done yet (I'm just going off your character, so I apologize if you're already doing things I suggest).
You can move Purity of Elements to where Blasphemy is so it benefits from Enlighten. Do you need (or want) both of those for defense? When I ran the tanky setup I was running Flesh and Stone/Maim (28), Pride (50), and Skitterbots (35) in my chest with Enlighten 4 and a movement skill. Then I used Generosity/Dread Banner (10) in my gloves. If that interests you, you might be able to do that with Enlighten 3 if you ran Pride, (a 35% aura of your choice), Flesh and Stone (without Maim), and Dread Banner in your chest. Really just comes down to what you feel comfortable with.
You could also swap your cyclone link into your chest and swap auras to gloves or boots if you're not running pride. You can add Infused Channeling to the cyclone link as a lot of people do for an extra defensive layer, or add Maim to that link - lots of options there.
If I had to pick one, I'd recommend trying to fiddle with the auras a bit more, though. You should be able to fit one 50, one 35, one 25, and one 10 with Sovereignty and Enlighten 3.
Also the 16% damage on your belt doesn't benefit the zombies, only you, so you can replace that with a Life craft. :)
Ok I understand now how the curses are working and yeah seen the overwrites you mention happen before both end up on tougher mobs (most melt beforehand)
The auras I have running at the moment are Avian, Purity of Elements (capped but low res all of them), dread banner and discipline. Got the full Sovereignty wheel and Enlighten 3 (4s are about 12ex on Xbox and just don’t have that, same for why I am missing empower 4)
Do you think those are sub par, would you go another way ?
Edit: moved PoElements to chest and it and discipline now reserve 28% each, avian 22% and dread banner 8% (game tooltip in skills for those %age)
(ALL typos lack of caps, punctuation and general errors are copyright Timbo Industries - Laziness Division)
I've been using the tanky setup with the Geof. With both the aura and skeleton setup in OP. Then I've tried other aura setups, and about an hour ago switched to the current one (holy relic, purity of elements). I looked at JCOH35's setup, and I forgot who else had something similar.
No luck getting a 21 zombie, so I'm leveling up a few gems again, struck out on a level 4 empower, so doing a few of those too.
I don't feel as strong compared to other peoples experiences running the aura setup. If I run vaal skel, I burn through bosses much faster though.
If I switch some Alberon to Stamped, it's a 1428 to 1289 in terms of strength. If I change my current two-stone, I'd probably get another 20-30 str from it, but I'd have to play around with my resistances again, and might possibly lose a gem slot for more res.
Without actually changing anything in the config in POB (minions using charges, consec. ground, etc), I'm sitting at 136k combined dps.
I'm probably missing something super obvious.
edit - swapped out flame dash atm to level up a zombie gem in the unset ring
Are you SSF? Because you can just save up to buy a Level 21 zombie/Level 4 empower - as we get closer to the end of the league, those should be getting cheaper and cheaper since more and more are dropping and getting leveled.
I don't want to be a buzzkill, but that level 30 zombie is a big breakpoint. You also get another zombie.
Do you happen to have a Lethal Pride node that gives 5% strength that isn't efficient to path to? Something like Divine Judgment? Maybe that 5% strength will be a better allocation than Beef if you're going to use The Stampede - check POB to be sure.
