Harvest needs a big nerf for next league.

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Dan1986 เขียน:

While you are right that Harvest was powercreep, the current version is largely nerfed.

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Char1983 เขียน:

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Draegnarrr เขียน:

all builds looking the same matters to the designers, because they don't only design one build its a waste of resources. You are supposed to get close but never actually achieve perfection that way there is something to strive for depending on your level of OCD.

In Harvest league, I would estimate I got to about 30-50% of what the build is theoretically capable of. That is without considering cluster jewels or a Watcher's Eye, those might propel the build further, so in all honesty, probably less. That is with trading for Harvest crafts. I got one item that is pretty close to best-in-slot, but I was also still using Kaom's Heart and Atziri's Step, both pretty much certainly not BiS, and a good, but not great helmet without the proper enchant for my skill.

Without Harvest, I typically get to more like 2-5% of what the build is capable of.

Even with Harvest, people are never getting to perfection with their builds. Most don't even get remotely close. People that claim it is easy to get to perfection with Harvest probably have no idea what perfection looks like.

Even in Harvest league itself, i.e. with readily available and affordable Harvest crafts, mbXtreme, who is a streamer and powergamer, did not achieve perfection on his build despite spending hundreds, maybe even more than 1000 Exalted Orbs on it. So no worries, even with Harvest, you don't run out of things to optimize.

Worst case, you can hunt for a perfect 3-stat Watcher's Eye or optimize your build with 1-stat Voices cluster jewels (starting at a mere 1.5 mirrors currently on Ritual).

EDIT: All of the above doesn't consider corruptions, which add a whole extra layer of optimization potential.

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Draegnarrr เขียน:

This looks like a best of both worlds implementation but it really isn't, its the worst of both worlds because a mechanic like this cannot be shackled to trade and still be a good mechanic yet their design philosophy says everything needs to be tradeable.

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stnikolauswagne เขียน:

Look at the poe.ninja leaderboards for Cold BV Self Poison Assasin (a super high budget fractured farmer), you will see that everyone including streamers stopped at roughly the same point, with a -res,+ power charge,- cold res helmet, Explodey+Frenzy chest, Tailwind+Poison boots, Cull+Unnerve Gloves, CritMulti+Power Charge Ring and one of two variations of the same sceptre. This gets rounded out by the same cluster setup and some form of conversion+pen watcher‘s eye and Headhunter+Badge.

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nebel เขียน:

Easy.

1. All items used in harvest become untradeable. No more selling crafts on out of game black markets. Personal use only.

2. Harvest craft has only 80% chance of success. 10% nothing happens. 9% removes random mod from item. 1% randomizes all mods on item.


In return players get unlimited craft storage starting at 10 and expanded by each Oshabi kill.

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Char1983 เขียน:

In Harvest league, I would estimate I got to about 30-50% of what the build is theoretically capable of.

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yamface เขียน:

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Char1983 เขียน:

In Harvest league, I would estimate I got to about 30-50% of what the build is theoretically capable of.

Sounds like you're just bad at the game.