Just watched the interviews about balancing. That explains a lot.

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Slart1bartfast#0332 เขียน:

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bloomhead#3858 เขียน:

People dying to plants is mainly a people problem, not a balancing problem. You can see the orbs, you can hear the orbs. I have died maybe 2 times to them, because I wasn't paying attention.

People dying to orbs are mostly not paying attention.

This is not true. As a warrior I died a ton of times to those orbs by not seeing them when a gazillion other visual and audio effects are on top of it all. I also died quite a few times to them by being body blocked or getting stuck on terrain. I died to them due to them being cast right on top of me. Hell, once I was even pushed into the orbs by one of those fettered monstrosity thingies.

Volatile plants at the power level they are at right now are completely atrocious to play against as a warrior. And even if you manage to avoid getting blocked, getting stuck or getting pushed into them and perfectly see and hear them at all times, their threat level makes it so that as melee you are more preoccupied with dodging them than actually fighting making it so that 2/3 of the time volatile plants are around you can't dps. Bonus cancer if it's happening in a temporal bubble. Extra bonus cancer if it's two rares with volatiles at them same time making it so you are chased by 6 orbs on two different timers.

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bloomhead#3858 เขียน:

So you're being comboed by the game:
- pushed into plants
- stuck in bubble then plants
- stunned, then plants
- 2 elites with plants

and that's the games fault then? No one is arguing the plants are doing much damage right now. But what you're saying is: You get swarmed, and you die.

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bloomhead#3858 เขียน:

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Legioona#1076 เขียน:

The balancing can be dynamically implemented so, that it buffs weaker skills to the level of the most op skill on a daily basis.

Then, between seasons, the most op skill is nerfed, trying to balance what the level of OP should be, not individual skills.


But, this road to "healing" starts with realising that balance is worth pursuing.

If you buff every skill into oblivion there is no reason to even play this game since it's not balanced at all. Overpowered, as the term obviously suggets, means overpowered. If you want to play one-click games, just play cookie-clickers.

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Slart1bartfast#0332 เขียน:

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bloomhead#3858 เขียน:

So you're being comboed by the game:
- pushed into plants
- stuck in bubble then plants
- stunned, then plants
- 2 elites with plants

and that's the games fault then? No one is arguing the plants are doing much damage right now. But what you're saying is: You get swarmed, and you die.

I don't know what you are trying to argue here? yes, obviously it is the game's fault.

It is not a skill issue and the data bears that out. If the problem was player skill then we would see the same problems with volatile crags, chaos barrage, periodically unleashes lightning, lightning storm, corpse explosion, etc. - but we don't.

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Legioona#1076 เขียน:

You didn't get it.

If you don't want to "rob people of their power" mid season, you do that between seasons - this is called balancing, and GGG would decide what they want the maximum clear speed to be.

During season, you buff the skills which are not used, hence not robbing anyone of anything.

And do note, that each skill is only OP with best gear - most players would not have it, hence they would still fare well, but OP.


Current setup, where finding or buying Tangletongue is enough to become OP is just a waste of a skill tree & hundred other skills.

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bloomhead#3858 เขียน:

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Slart1bartfast#0332 เขียน:

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bloomhead#3858 เขียน:

So you're being comboed by the game:
- pushed into plants
- stuck in bubble then plants
- stunned, then plants
- 2 elites with plants

and that's the games fault then? No one is arguing the plants are doing much damage right now. But what you're saying is: You get swarmed, and you die.

I don't know what you are trying to argue here? yes, obviously it is the game's fault.

It is not a skill issue and the data bears that out. If the problem was player skill then we would see the same problems with volatile crags, chaos barrage, periodically unleashes lightning, lightning storm, corpse explosion, etc. - but we don't.

No, it's not the games fault if you're running around and letting yourself get comboed. This game is not supposed to let you fly through the maps. Combat is meant to be more challenging.

It's the same as people complaining about being one-shot by white mobs, despite building the thinest glascannons or getting hit by the biggest, slowest mob-attack ever.

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bloomhead#3858 เขียน:

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Legioona#1076 เขียน:

You didn't get it.

If you don't want to "rob people of their power" mid season, you do that between seasons - this is called balancing, and GGG would decide what they want the maximum clear speed to be.

During season, you buff the skills which are not used, hence not robbing anyone of anything.

And do note, that each skill is only OP with best gear - most players would not have it, hence they would still fare well, but OP.


Current setup, where finding or buying Tangletongue is enough to become OP is just a waste of a skill tree & hundred other skills.

There is no "between" seasons. While one season is in development, the other is running.

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Legioona#1076 เขียน:

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bloomhead#3858 เขียน:

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Legioona#1076 เขียน:

You didn't get it.

If you don't want to "rob people of their power" mid season, you do that between seasons - this is called balancing, and GGG would decide what they want the maximum clear speed to be.

During season, you buff the skills which are not used, hence not robbing anyone of anything.

And do note, that each skill is only OP with best gear - most players would not have it, hence they would still fare well, but OP.


Current setup, where finding or buying Tangletongue is enough to become OP is just a waste of a skill tree & hundred other skills.

There is no "between" seasons. While one season is in development, the other is running.

You got the point, just admit it.

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bloomhead#3858 เขียน:

No, it's not the games fault if you're running around and letting yourself get comboed. This game is not supposed to let you fly through the maps. Combat is meant to be more challenging.

It's the same as people complaining about being one-shot by white mobs, despite building the thinest glascannons or getting hit by the biggest, slowest mob-attack ever.