4.8 K Active Players

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karsey#2995 เขียน:

The steam chart number highlights need to stop.

It's a blind statistic that people are holding up to validate their own opinions about their perceived negative aspects as if it lends them credibility - it doesn't.

PoE1 had a similar situation when it released where people were clamoring about it being a dying game that was only initially pumped up off of D3-failure-fumes. GGG has the dedication and the business model that creates a great game. Chris even did a presentation on this once I think about "games being designed to be played forever" or something like that. It's an iterative process.

That process takes time and testing to ensure a quality product and PoE2 is not going to be an exception.

It's 60% still in the oven and arguably higher quality than most other ARPGs out there including it's predecessor, so I don't see how anyone can look at this situation - especially in the context of the development efforts which were applied to PoE1 and we know will be applied to PoE2 - and say anything about this game is "dead" or going in a "bad direction". You'd have to have the most negative of filters draped over your perceptions and be stuck in some sort of bad-player echo-chamber-hell to have this mentality.

I'm already having tons of fun in this game - new content and characters and weapons and skills coming down the pipeline? I am excited! I don't care if there's 5k, 10k, 20k, 100k, or 500k concurrent players on Steam - this has never been a factor in my enjoyment for any game.

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AintCare#6513 เขียน:

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karsey#2995 เขียน:

The steam chart number highlights need to stop.

It's a blind statistic that people are holding up to validate their own opinions about their perceived negative aspects as if it lends them credibility - it doesn't.

PoE1 had a similar situation when it released where people were clamoring about it being a dying game that was only initially pumped up off of D3-failure-fumes. GGG has the dedication and the business model that creates a great game. Chris even did a presentation on this once I think about "games being designed to be played forever" or something like that. It's an iterative process.

That process takes time and testing to ensure a quality product and PoE2 is not going to be an exception.

It's 60% still in the oven and arguably higher quality than most other ARPGs out there including it's predecessor, so I don't see how anyone can look at this situation - especially in the context of the development efforts which were applied to PoE1 and we know will be applied to PoE2 - and say anything about this game is "dead" or going in a "bad direction". You'd have to have the most negative of filters draped over your perceptions and be stuck in some sort of bad-player echo-chamber-hell to have this mentality.

I'm already having tons of fun in this game - new content and characters and weapons and skills coming down the pipeline? I am excited! I don't care if there's 5k, 10k, 20k, 100k, or 500k concurrent players on Steam - this has never been a factor in my enjoyment for any game.

yup, unfortunately some ppl use it in attempts to manipulate the devs into giving them what they want. the culmination of it was patch 0.2. I never seen such behavior on scale 'in person' but its unsettling and I don't think it will just stop. and yeah core of the game is great, well made and thought out on balance as well.

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Musano#5035 เขียน:

Its almost like they want it to fail just so they can say "see I told you" and get their validation which I still cant figure out how that benefits a person in life to be correct over a prediction of a video game.

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AintCare#6513 เขียน:

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karsey#2995 เขียน:

The steam chart number highlights need to stop.

It's a blind statistic that people are holding up to validate their own opinions about their perceived negative aspects as if it lends them credibility - it doesn't.

PoE1 had a similar situation when it released where people were clamoring about it being a dying game that was only initially pumped up off of D3-failure-fumes. GGG has the dedication and the business model that creates a great game. Chris even did a presentation on this once I think about "games being designed to be played forever" or something like that. It's an iterative process.

That process takes time and testing to ensure a quality product and PoE2 is not going to be an exception.

It's 60% still in the oven and arguably higher quality than most other ARPGs out there including it's predecessor, so I don't see how anyone can look at this situation - especially in the context of the development efforts which were applied to PoE1 and we know will be applied to PoE2 - and say anything about this game is "dead" or going in a "bad direction". You'd have to have the most negative of filters draped over your perceptions and be stuck in some sort of bad-player echo-chamber-hell to have this mentality.

I'm already having tons of fun in this game - new content and characters and weapons and skills coming down the pipeline? I am excited! I don't care if there's 5k, 10k, 20k, 100k, or 500k concurrent players on Steam - this has never been a factor in my enjoyment for any game.

yup, unfortunately some ppl use it in attempts to manipulate the devs into giving them what they want. the culmination of it was patch 0.2. I never seen such behavior on scale 'in person' but its unsettling and I don't think it will just stop. and yeah core of the game is great, well made and thought out on balance as well.

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2836742981#3689 เขียน:

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AintCare#6513 เขียน:

yup, unfortunately some ppl use it in attempts to manipulate the devs into giving them what they want. the culmination of it was patch 0.2. I never seen such behavior on scale 'in person' but its unsettling and I don't think it will just stop. and yeah core of the game is great, well made and thought out on balance as well.

You are completely wrong about this. No one wanted what was launched in 0.2. It was not player feedback. Players wanted more viable builds and build game diversity. Instead, they nerfed everything across the board with a hammer.

Most people in 0.1 were talking about better trade experience, better end game mapping, smaller maps or movement speed, and loss of xp on death. None of that was delivered in 0.2.

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Naharez#3496 เขียน:

To be honest, 10k daily peak isn't that bad, considering it's early access. I was just looking at Dark Souls 3 statistics and it had a kind of similar trajectory. 129k bought the game, only 15k peak after a few weeks or so. But Dark Souls 3 also wasn't early access. This game is still raw in many ways and lacks a lot of content. So, considering that, these are good statistics. Also, apparently GGG keeps 70% of steam revenue and I assume they already paid everything for production of the game upfront. That's I think 5 million copies sold, as is being estimated, times 30 is 150 million times 70% is 105 million income minus production costs. The game's production cost is estimated to be below 100 million, meaning they made a profit. And they didn't even sell everything on steam, but also on their own website, so they probably made more than 105 million. And also, they are going to make even more money through ingame purchases.

Now, whether GGG will continue working on this game and how much or how "hard" depends on whether GGG will see it to be worthwhile doing so. They will certainly work on it until the final release, add more content, I believe they have a lot planned, still. But after that, depends on how much revenue the ingame purchases will achieve.

And like I said, the daily peak isn't that bad compared to similar hardcore games like Dark Souls 3. 10k players peak is all you need. Games like these are made for those 10k players who really enjoy them and invest ingame money on them, like in this case.

Numbers could be wrong, though. Steam charts says estimated copies sold 5 million, google says a little over one million, which would be a deficit for GGG, if the ingame purchases didn't balance it out, which they probably haven't, yet.

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Germany27250#8163 เขียน:

Just hoping the Chinese Market will give GGG the resources they need to keep making this amazing game.