Five Weeks into 0.2.0, POE2 is Down 93.2% Players All Time & 83.9% from Patch Launch

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Echothesis#7320 เขียน:

There is one thing important for retention which GGG is notoriously bad at, unlike other seasonal arpgs: fixing QoL. It takes GGG literal years to add UI features obvious for any player since day 1.

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ttuuff#4138 เขียน:

Retention andies are the worst. play the game if you want dont play it if you dont want.

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Aim_High#3562 เขียน:

That endless atlas is just bad.

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Kerchunk#7797 เขียน:

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Echothesis#7320 เขียน:

There is one thing important for retention which GGG is notoriously bad at, unlike other seasonal arpgs: fixing QoL. It takes GGG literal years to add UI features obvious for any player since day 1.

The fact that this comment is sitting next to a thread full of people actively complaining about GGG adding a simple QoL update to the UI I think very succinctly represents the challenge they are facing right now. Their goal for EA was to put out an unfinished and unpolished build in order to gather feedback throughout the remainder of the development process, but it's becoming increasingly clear that they misjudged the player community's appetite for playing an incomplete version of their game.
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Kerchunk#7797 เขียน:

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Echothesis#7320 เขียน:

There is one thing important for retention which GGG is notoriously bad at, unlike other seasonal arpgs: fixing QoL. It takes GGG literal years to add UI features obvious for any player since day 1.

The fact that this comment is sitting next to a thread full of people actively complaining about GGG adding a simple QoL update to the UI I think very succinctly represents the challenge they are facing right now. Their goal for EA was to put out an unfinished and unpolished build in order to gather feedback throughout the remainder of the development process, but it's becoming increasingly clear that they misjudged the player community's appetite for playing an incomplete version of their game.

Player retention and peak daily numbers are so far from issues that GGG need to be concerned about right now but it seems to be all people here want to discuss most days. If PoE2 had not released in EA, it would have exactly zero players today and nobody would be talking about it as if it's a sign of failure. The game in its current state is unfinished, unpolished, and messy -- nobody with the capacity for rational thought should expect it to attract and retain a consistently active player population and there's no reason to regard its failure to do so as anything but the very obvious and predictable consequence of the fact that most people simply aren't interested in playing an unfinished game.

The massive surge of players at the outset of EA is a promise of the game's future potential. I promise you a massive chunk of those people have every intention of returning for 1.0. Look no further than Baldur's Gate 3 for a parallel. They released that game in October of 2020 and it was an absolute disaster that was subsequently played by almost nobody - yet when it finally released almost three years later it was a massive success and will go down as one of the most successful and beloved RPGs in history.

Basically, you guys legitimately need to just stop belly-aching about player numbers right now and focus on what GGG is actually asking us to do - play the game and give them feedback so they can make a better 1.0 for people to return to when it is complete. Of course the other alternative you have is to join them - uninstall the game for now and come back for 1.0. I promise it will still be here waiting for you and it will be a much different game.

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Galtrovan#5344 เขียน:

The problem with your entire post is that GGG implied POE2 was ready, with an expected 6 month EA window for feedback, and full release expectation of June 2025. And here we were are on the verge of June 2025, with a completely unfinished product: half the classes are missing, half the ascendancy classes are missing, all the existing ascendancy classes are garbage, the passive skill is terrible, there is no crafting (it's ALL gambling), items drops are terrible, item bases are missing, end game is terrible, monster density is terrible, movement speed is terrible, the skill gem system is terrible, zones sizes are too large, the campaign is too long, hunting for rares to get loot is terrible, along with much more not being good. Skill and monster damage needs balanced as well, but GGG couldn't even manage to accomplish this in the almost last 6 months either.

December of 2024, I said POE2 was in such a bad state that it wasn't going to be ready for 1.0 release until 2027. But given lack of progress over the last almost 6 months in accomplishing anything at all, it's going to more closer to 2028 before this game is ready. And this, the difference between what GGG implied the state of POE2 was at EA release vs the reality of things, is the reason for all our expectations going up in flames, the forum being on fire, and all the negative reviews. Additionally, there is also the fact that POE2 is not POE. POE2 is something else completely, nothing representative of what was originally revealed at the first Exile Con.

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outlander19900#0213 เขียน:

[...]I'm new to arpgs and I followed the hype of poe2[...]
The entire concept of enless mapping and resets every couple of months is trash. [...]

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Toforto#2372 เขียน:

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ttuuff#4138 เขียน:

Retention andies are the worst. play the game if you want dont play it if you dont want.

Except people don't want to play when every item in the economy is inflated in price so the rewards you get in maps are worthless. A trade league needs many active players to be good. If PoE's SSF mode actually had deterministic farming and was fun then yeah people could just play and have fun. But that's not the case.