Campaign bosses need to be tuned back to how they were back in 0.1

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Druidenjoyer#0031 เขียน:

i could maybe get on board with making end game bosses harder but not the campaign ones. campaign is already a massive chore to do. a tedious slog. it doesn't need to be even more of a slog. try playing a normal build not LS deadeye and maybe you wont find campaign bosses so easy.

If you think the best part of the game is a "chore", this game is not for you. Stick to Diablo 3/4.

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 เขียน:

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Druidenjoyer#0031 เขียน:

i could maybe get on board with making end game bosses harder but not the campaign ones. campaign is already a massive chore to do. a tedious slog. it doesn't need to be even more of a slog. try playing a normal build not LS deadeye and maybe you wont find campaign bosses so easy.

If you think the best part of the game is a "chore", this game is not for you. Stick to Diablo 3/4.

i wouldn't be dismissive of the 'chore' complaints. if the game fails to kill you/threaten you till endgame it will feel like a chore/formality, make it less boring and majority of those complains will disappear. most of prelude felt like a chore to me, while 0.1 certainly didn't feel like a chore- it did upset me a bunch but it was fun and stimulating, def not a chore.

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 เขียน:

If you think the best part of the game is a "chore", this game is not for you. Stick to Diablo 3/4.

It's funny you say that....because I would say quite the opposite. If you think everything BUT the campaign is garbage, then the game is not for you. The campaign represents the smallest, least important part of a game designed to keep you engaged for years.

The campaign is the only part of the game you are going to do hundreds of times. And it represents far less than 50% of the development of a character, any character. The vast vast VAST majority of your time playing PoE 2 is going to be done OUTSIDE of the campaign.

So telling people that "the game is not for you" because they feel like the campaign is a slog or a chore is quite ridiculous....since that ISN'T the game. And its funny...it also ISN'T the game in D3 and D4 that you told them to go to lol. It might be the single most important bit of feedback the developers can get from players just starting out in PoE2.


It's okay to feel like the campaign is the most fun part of the game currently, and you wish the parts outside the campaign were similar. But it absolutely does not represent "the game", nor will it ever. That statement shows an outstanding lack of understanding of what "PoE 2: the game" is.

We are about 2 decades past this idea that the "campaign" is the important/key part of most games. Ofc with exceptions to the games that literally ONLY have a campaign, where when you beat it you WIN and the game is over.



Therefore....it actually makes far more sense for someone to complain that the campaign is slower than the endgame and they don't like how it feels versus the other way around. Not saying either side is wrong at all in their feelings, just that one makes more sense if you are commenting on the overall PoE 2.

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cowmoo275#3095 เขียน:

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 เขียน:

If you think the best part of the game is a "chore", this game is not for you. Stick to Diablo 3/4.

It's funny you say that....because I would say quite the opposite. If you think everything BUT the campaign is garbage, then the game is not for you. The campaign represents the smallest, least important part of a game designed to keep you engaged for years.

the campaign is the only 'finished' part of the game lol. sry but i didn't read the rest.

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AintCare#6513 เขียน:

the campaign is the only 'finished' part of the game lol. sry but i didn't read the rest.

Except its NOT finished lol.

PoE 1 had 3 acts and 3 difficulties. Then it had 4 acts. Then it had 10 acts. ALl that took 4 years of development. It can be argued that it was never finished until all 10 acts were done, since no other major changes besides balance were made to the campaign since then.

Even Jonathan has stated that the campaign for PoE 2 is NOT finished.

You simply PREFER the campaign: its that simple. But it is not correct to say its "finished". Perhaps more "polished" than the endgame would be a better way to say it. But even that isn't true....look at the complaints over the recent nerfs to Act 3, and other parts of the campaign running through the feedback.

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cowmoo275#3095 เขียน:

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 เขียน:

If you think the best part of the game is a "chore", this game is not for you. Stick to Diablo 3/4.

It's funny you say that....because I would say quite the opposite. If you think everything BUT the campaign is garbage, then the game is not for you. The campaign represents the smallest, least important part of a game designed to keep you engaged for years.

That's a crazy hot take considering you're posting this under the PoE 2 section. Honest question; do you like the game?

^no, I do not like the game. Both the campaign AND the endgame. At least not currently. But that doesn't matter: you only wrote that because you are trying to trap me by writing off anything I say without taking any time to understand it. Or even argue it. At least AintCare gave a real response. That's pretty clear from the fact that you obviously didn't read any of the rest of the post lol.

But it really isn't a "hot take" at all. Consider the development pattern of GGG's ONLY OTHER game, PoE1:

1) The campaign received its final version in 2017. Since that time, NO OTHER CHANGES have been made.

2) Meanwhile, the endgame has received 4+ massive expansions and overhauls. New content almost exclusively gets placed in the endgame. Nearly all development attention is NOT in the campaign. The campaign exists simply to "Exist", because most games feel they need a story.

And it is only natural that after the hundredth or thousandth time you play the campaign, you are completing it much much MUCH faster and it takes up even less of your overall "PoE 2" time. Or do you play the campaign, stop, then play the campaign again, loop on repeat? You think you'll be doing that in a year if the campaign is "finished" as-is right now? Do you watch all the cutscenes, all the way through, every single time you repeat the campaign? How about reading the quest text?

Campaign importance to the overall game only lasts a SHORT time for individual players: everything ELSE is what keeps the players long-term.


Development tells you what part of the game is the MOST important for its attention and audience. And if you tell me that GGG hasn't touched the campaign of PoE 1 for 8 years because its "perfect the way it is"....THAT would be a hot take.

Fine, but you're looking for a totally different experience than what its being offered. The campaign will get even bigger in the near future with Act 5 and 6, and even more so with the possibility of more Acts after that.

This thread was about making bosses more engaging like they were back in 0.1, not reinventing the entire game into something totally different, lol.

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cowmoo275#3095 เขียน:

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AintCare#6513 เขียน:

the campaign is the only 'finished' part of the game lol. sry but i didn't read the rest.

Except its NOT finished lol.

PoE 1 had 3 acts and 3 difficulties. Then it had 4 acts. Then it had 10 acts. ALl that took 4 years of development. It can be argued that it was never finished until all 10 acts were done, since no other major changes besides balance were made to the campaign since then.

Even Jonathan has stated that the campaign for PoE 2 is NOT finished.

You simply PREFER the campaign: its that simple. But it is not correct to say its "finished". Perhaps more "polished" than the endgame would be a better way to say it. But even that isn't true....look at the complaints over the recent nerfs to Act 3, and other parts of the campaign running through the feedback.

right that's why i placed '' around finished. i guess i should of used most finished, but that would imply the rest is less finished. where in fact the rest is more of a place holder. so if you are more happy with place holders than the parts that are 'finished' you have a higher chance of being disappointed with the 1.0 than the person that enjoys campaign. now time might prove me wrong, who knows where this game is heading, esp these days.

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rifraf-_-#9478 เขียน:

Fine, but you're looking for a totally different experience than what its being offered. The campaign will get even bigger in the near future with Act 5 and 6, and even more so with the possibility of more Acts after that.

This thread was about making bosses more engaging like they were back in 0.1, not reinventing the entire game into something totally different, lol.

Yes...but I quoted a specific comment and was replying to that comment. And that particular comment was NOT specifically about the narrow title of the thread. Sorry you didn't catch that.



@Aint: too true, time could prove me wrong as well. It could just as easily be that the campaign proves to be...the less completed part of the game in the end if it gets patched to be closer to the current endgame (which it MIGHT). But I can say with certainty that the campaign, as a piece of the greater "PoE 2" pie, will never be more than a small slice of the experience. And because of that, it simply cannot be used to write off the far larger "experience" of the rest of the pie. Even in this moment, when you can reasonably consider much of the endgame to be piecemeal.