Campaign bosses need to be tuned back to how they were back in 0.1

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AintCare#6513 เขียน:

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 เขียน:

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Druidenjoyer#0031 เขียน:

i could maybe get on board with making end game bosses harder but not the campaign ones. campaign is already a massive chore to do. a tedious slog. it doesn't need to be even more of a slog. try playing a normal build not LS deadeye and maybe you wont find campaign bosses so easy.

If you think the best part of the game is a "chore", this game is not for you. Stick to Diablo 3/4.

i wouldn't be dismissive of the 'chore' complaints. if the game fails to kill you/threaten you till endgame it will feel like a chore/formality, make it less boring and majority of those complains will disappear. most of prelude felt like a chore to me, while 0.1 certainly didn't feel like a chore- it did upset me a bunch but it was fun and stimulating, def not a chore.

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cowmoo275#3095 เขียน:

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 เขียน:

If you think the best part of the game is a "chore", this game is not for you. Stick to Diablo 3/4.

It's funny you say that....because I would say quite the opposite. If you think everything BUT the campaign is garbage, then the game is not for you. The campaign represents the smallest, least important part of a game designed to keep you engaged for years.

The campaign is the only part of the game you are going to do hundreds of times. And it represents far less than 50% of the development of a character, any character. The vast vast VAST majority of your time playing PoE 2 is going to be done OUTSIDE of the campaign.

So telling people that "the game is not for you" because they feel like the campaign is a slog or a chore is quite ridiculous....since that ISN'T the game. And its funny...it also ISN'T the game in D3 and D4 that you told them to go to lol. It might be the single most important bit of feedback the developers can get from players just starting out in PoE2.


It's okay to feel like the campaign is the most fun part of the game currently, and you wish the parts outside the campaign were similar. But it absolutely does not represent "the game", nor will it ever. That statement shows an outstanding lack of understanding of what "PoE 2: the game" is.

We are about 2 decades past this idea that the "campaign" is the important/key part of most games. Ofc with exceptions to the games that literally ONLY have a campaign, where when you beat it you WIN and the game is over.



Therefore....it actually makes far more sense for someone to complain that the campaign is slower than the endgame and they don't like how it feels versus the other way around. Not saying either side is wrong at all in their feelings, just that one makes more sense if you are commenting on the overall PoE 2.

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 เขียน:

The game is designed to be the complete opposite of what you just said.
The campaign is meant to be a core part and important part of the game. It is meant to be engaging, fun, and actual gameplay. it is NOT meant to be a forced 20 hour tutorial like other modern ARPGs.

Source: multiple interviews with the lead developers of the game.

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cowmoo275#3095 เขียน:

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 เขียน:

The game is designed to be the complete opposite of what you just said.
The campaign is meant to be a core part and important part of the game. It is meant to be engaging, fun, and actual gameplay. it is NOT meant to be a forced 20 hour tutorial like other modern ARPGs.

Source: multiple interviews with the lead developers of the game.

Except that it isn't. Even now. And you are misquoting them. What they have said repeatedly is they want the campaign to be an engaging and fun experience. But they have never, nor will they ever claim that the campaign is a core part of the experience, unless they are purposely lying to try and lend it more importance than it functionally holds.

I mean.....developers said the campaign in PoE 1 was "core" to the game pretty much for the entire existence of the game. That's why they have never introduced a "skip" or side-mechanic. That doesn't make them right. Developers can be, and very often are, wrong about many of the things they say about their own creation. Because they don't actually PLAY it anywhere near as much as the playerbase does. They don't experience it the same way.

Source: the last 20+ years of video game history. EVERY game of this type claims their campaign is designed to be engaging. And it is....the first few times. Another source: actually playing the games and going through the campaigns repeatedly. Hundreds of times. Across many different games with different length and quality of campaign.

They can make an AMAZING campaign, the best campaign ever in the history of campaigns. No matter what it is........at the hundredth time it will NOT compete with the customizable endgame. It can't.

It's pretty clear that you might still be in the "Shiny and New" phase with the campaign. To be honest, so am I. But lets see how you feel next year. In two years. In three years. In a decade. Because ultimately this game is designed with longevity and replayability in mind. They want it to run like PoE 1: season after season, year after year, as long as possible. What gets sacrificed in a game designed that way? The campaign and story. It can't stay fresh.

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 เขียน:

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Druidenjoyer#0031 เขียน:

i could maybe get on board with making end game bosses harder but not the campaign ones. campaign is already a massive chore to do. a tedious slog. it doesn't need to be even more of a slog. try playing a normal build not LS deadeye and maybe you wont find campaign bosses so easy.

If you think the best part of the game is a "chore", this game is not for you. Stick to Diablo 3/4.

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cowmoo275#3095 เขียน:

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 เขียน:

The game is designed to be the complete opposite of what you just said.
The campaign is meant to be a core part and important part of the game. It is meant to be engaging, fun, and actual gameplay. it is NOT meant to be a forced 20 hour tutorial like other modern ARPGs.

Source: multiple interviews with the lead developers of the game.

Except that it isn't. Even now. And you are misquoting them. What they have said repeatedly is they want the campaign to be an engaging and fun experience. But they have never, nor will they ever claim that the campaign is a core part of the experience, unless they are purposely lying to try and lend it more importance than it functionally holds.

I mean.....developers said the campaign in PoE 1 was "core" to the game pretty much for the entire existence of the game. That's why they have never introduced a "skip" or side-mechanic. That doesn't make them right. Developers can be, and very often are, wrong about many of the things they say about their own creation. Because they don't actually PLAY it anywhere near as much as the playerbase does. They don't experience it the same way.

Source: the last 20+ years of video game history. EVERY game of this type claims their campaign is designed to be engaging. And it is....the first few times. Another source: actually playing the games and going through the campaigns repeatedly. Hundreds of times. Across many different games with different length and quality of campaign.

They can make an AMAZING campaign, the best campaign ever in the history of campaigns. No matter what it is........at the hundredth time it will NOT compete with the customizable endgame. It can't.

It's pretty clear that you might still be in the "Shiny and New" phase with the campaign. To be honest, so am I. But lets see how you feel next year. In two years. In three years. In a decade. Because ultimately this game is designed with longevity and replayability in mind. They want it to run like PoE 1: season after season, year after year, as long as possible. What gets sacrificed in a game designed that way? The campaign and story. It can't stay fresh.

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AverBeg7#1689 เขียน:

yep, the 0.2 nerf to monster hp was a band-aid they should've removed after they buffed the underperforming skills QOL in the campaign.

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