After just one week poe2 has more players on steam then LE does

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riotarchangel#2809 เขียน:

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pollozik#7790 เขียน:

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hboi#6131 เขียน:

Games were way better when I was a kid. Let's take fallout 1 for example. When you first begin the game you are told where to go. However when you get to the vault there's just a hole in the ground with no way to get down. So the only tip the game gave you is a dead end.

Now when you travel to the vault the game told you to go. A random town will pop up. If you happen to explore the town before you go to the marker the game gave you you will be given a quest. The quest has nothing to do with the vault you were originally given.

However, if you search a bookcase in one of the random houses you will find rope. And if you are clever enough you can take that rope to the vault and go down the hole and find an overpowered weapon. When you get the rope a quest marker doesn't pop up and say hey you should take this rope to the vault you were told to go to to explore it further. You have to figure this out yourself. This is 10/10 game design. The game doesn't hand hold you, the game doesn't have yellow paint plastered everywhere telling you where to go. You have to use your own intelligence and intellect to figure this out yourself. God fallout 1 was such a good game.

Now when poe2 first came out I saw glimpses of how games were back in the day. You have to figure things out for yourself, you are not guaranteed your 4th ascendancy. But no we can't have games like fallout 1 anymore because modern day gamers cannot handle it.

Modern day gamers are entitled. They want everything handed to them without any effort on their part. They want to follow a guide in order to get the rewards. They want broken builds so they don't have to learn boss mechanics. When something kills them they want the devs to remove this from the game.

I blame the people calling for a LE or D4 clone for never having new games be good anymore. Even though there are 100s of games that are like LE or D4. They refuse to let me have a new game that doesn't hold your hand. The forums are flooded with people who have been filtered demanding the game be changed to poe 1.5. I blame these people for the failure of modern day games.

Thank you for that, it’s exactly how I feel, and I’m sure it’s the same for many passionate and constructive players.

the difference is you could beat fallout 2 in less than 3 hours.

this game expects you to grind for 300.

thats not entitlement thats respecting your own time.

im old too you seem to forget that is was a select few games that did this in a sea of trash. you need to clean your rose colored glasses. games were not better back in the day. it was the same crap just not as pretty looking.

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hboi#6131 เขียน:

Games were way better when I was a kid. Let's take fallout 1 for example. When you first begin the game you are told where to go. However when you get to the vault there's just a hole in the ground with no way to get down. So the only tip the game gave you is a dead end.

Now when you travel to the vault the game told you to go. A random town will pop up. If you happen to explore the town before you go to the marker the game gave you you will be given a quest. The quest has nothing to do with the vault you were originally given.

However, if you search a bookcase in one of the random houses you will find rope. And if you are clever enough you can take that rope to the vault and go down the hole and find an overpowered weapon. When you get the rope a quest marker doesn't pop up and say hey you should take this rope to the vault you were told to go to to explore it further. You have to figure this out yourself. This is 10/10 game design. The game doesn't hand hold you, the game doesn't have yellow paint plastered everywhere telling you where to go. You have to use your own intelligence and intellect to figure this out yourself. God fallout 1 was such a good game.

Now when poe2 first came out I saw glimpses of how games were back in the day. You have to figure things out for yourself, you are not guaranteed your 4th ascendancy. But no we can't have games like fallout 1 anymore because modern day gamers cannot handle it.

Modern day gamers are entitled. They want everything handed to them without any effort on their part. They want to follow a guide in order to get the rewards. They want broken builds so they don't have to learn boss mechanics. When something kills them they want the devs to remove this from the game.

I blame the people calling for a LE or D4 clone for never having new games be good anymore. Even though there are 100s of games that are like LE or D4. They refuse to let me have a new game that doesn't hold your hand. The forums are flooded with people who have been filtered demanding the game be changed to poe 1.5. I blame these people for the failure of modern day games.

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pollozik#7790 เขียน:

Thank you for that, it’s exactly how I feel, and I’m sure it’s the same for many passionate and constructive players.

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LaiTash#6276 เขียน:

Vision fanboys coping hard.

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hboi#6131 เขียน:

Also before little Timmy comes in and says 'but poe2 has lost 80 - 90 percent of its playerbase'

Poe2 retention is quite good.

If you look at Monster hunter Wilds - A game that was wildly successful
- On launch it had 1.1 million people playing
- As of right now it only has 56k people playing on steam

Thats a huge drop in player count

Does that mean monster hunter wilds is a bad game?
- NO just means people have already played it and has moved on to other games
- People will come back when new content is out

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Esubane#6099 เขียน:

I don't really care about these metrics, let alone draw any conclusions from them.

The thing is - POE 2 was ass to play on this patch. It's propably the worst patch they ever released. Kalandra for POE1 was pretty bad too, but it was eventually patched to be quite fun (except MF culler meta, that was really bad throughout the whole league). This game is still early access and missing a big part of its core content so you can't really compare the two.

Last Epoch patch is good on the other hand. It improved the game in many ways and didn't brought any particularly controversial or bad system to the table. Response is overall good with 88% positive reviews in the last 30 days on Steam. The game is pretty easy until you get into very lategame content but that's fine.

It's good to have ARPG's that are different from each other.