Your game still has A LOT to learn from Diablo games

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ThreeBelowZero#2968 เขียน:

People with a job and an actual life don't want to play the game that they (we) played 20 years ago. And GGG is learning the same Blizzard learnt with D4: players want to blast and have fun, nobody wants an endless grind as a game.
Yap all you want. You perfectly know that they game will be more and more D4 because that's how players get interested on the game and they end up buying MTX.

Bro I work 200 hours per month and still enjoy PoE 2 how it is. It's not about time, it's about laziness of gamers who want everything with little to no effort. People who love D4 can play D4. Why don't you play D4 if you like it so much?

it's the "d4 is more fun than poe2" guy again. haven't you left in 0.1.0?

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ThreeBelowZero#2968 เขียน:

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Sakanabi#6664 เขียน:

If you think that D4 is fun then you should leave this place immediately and forever.

Sadly for you, I won't.
D4 is fun. You can go and ask the thousands of players playing it and they will answer the same.
Your opinion doesn't change reality. You can keep thinking it does, tho. That also changes nothing.

That being said, sit down, save this post, and watch PoE 2 do what I pointed. You know why? Because this is a business, and players dying too much, grinding too much, and having penalties for almost every step they take gets boring pretty soon. So they will change it.
Don't believe me? Look how they changed portals, Towers, Ascendancy swap, etc.

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Exp loss and dying constantly still a thing, and yet 300k people started playing this season.

You can go and ask the thousands of players playing it and they will answer the same.
Your opinion doesn't change reality. You can keep thinking it does, tho. That also changes nothing.

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JC_GGG เขียน:

Hey exiles! Please remember that the forums are for civil, constructive discussion of the game. Making personal attacks or antagonistic comments would be a breach of our Code of Conduct. Thanks for your cooperation and understanding.

Some topics invite that behavior. Not every single one of us caves for it but some inevitably do. Aren't we all humans after all?

I'd highly suggest you guys lock these types of threads when escalation inevitable happens. Nothing of value will ever come out of this.

D4 never got better than the beta.

As they catered to players who don't know better the game got worse. Nightmare Dungeons were not a bad concept, there just wasn't enough behind it and their dungeon design was awful.

If GGG want to copy something from Diablo they should be looking at Diablo 1 on itemization. It was better to venture down to Diablo than rush right to him. This is a major flaw that Diablo 2 introduced because they increased the ilevel gap compared to normal mobs and Magic Find was introduced.

It wasn't that Diablo 1 was slow. It was that killing monsters was worth your time. We had spam teleport and didn't really use it except to kill enemies. When Johnathan said if they made enemies slower players would just skip them... That's a big red flag. They should be asking themselves why players would want to skip them. It's GGG cares way too much about bosses.

We got players ranting they want rare enemies to show up on the map. Another red flag.
Players shouldn't feel the need to hunt down rares and bosses.

D3 was a crime against humanity.

The officially posted dev policy stated that every 2 weeks they would look at the performance metrics and nerf the most successful skills/builds and buff the least successful ones. Players were literally not allowed to have fun, at least not for long. If you found something that worked well - it would get nerfed within 2 weeks.

The quality and rarity of drops in game was totally miserable specifically because of the Auction House. The devs openly admitted that they had to keep it down, otherwise everybody would buy BiS items without ever having to grind. So then the game inevitably turned into the last second snipe fest at the AH (usually in the middle of the night).

Not even going to talk about the RL money AH.

I quit that atrocity of a game after several of my builds got nerfed. And my disappointment with Blizzard was so huge that I've never played another Blizzard game ever since. After 10+ years of playing D1 and D2 before that.

I implore GGG to treat D3-4 as an example of what not to do. Anybody who tells you to copy something from those games is [not wise].

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Kelvynn#6607 เขียน:

The officially posted dev policy stated that every 2 weeks they would look at the performance metrics and nerf the most successful skills/builds and buff the least successful ones. Players were literally not allowed to have fun, at least not for long. If you found something that worked well - it would get nerfed within 2 weeks.

Not to nitpick, but doesn't GGG also literally do this?

Like, I'll bet you anything they're going to gut lightning arrow in 0.4.0, maybe ES too.

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Kelvynn#6607 เขียน:

I quit that atrocity of a game after several of my builds got nerfed.

I implore GGG to treat D3-4 as an example of what not to do. Anybody who tells you to copy something from those games is [not wise].

I can't help but notice the contradictory in your post. D3/4 is all about that Mickey Mouse power fantasy that people who hate nerfs enjoy so much. If GGG followed Blizzards formula, they'd never nerf anything and the game would be a meme.

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rifraf-_-#9478 เขียน:

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Kelvynn#6607 เขียน:

I quit that atrocity of a game after several of my builds got nerfed.

I implore GGG to treat D3-4 as an example of what not to do. Anybody who tells you to copy something from those games is [not wise].

I can't help but notice the contradictory in your post. D3/4 is all about that Mickey Mouse power fantasy that people who hate nerfs enjoy so much. If GGG followed Blizzards formula, they'd never nerf anything and the game would be a meme.

The irony of this post is that GGG is already doing that. There are already plenty of nuke builds in PoE2, and the game even has timed encounters to enforce it, just like D4 does.

And before you say it, yes D4 does nerfs, lest we forget how much everyone glommed onto the spiritborn class when it came out.