Your game still has A LOT to learn from Diablo games

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rifraf-_-#9478 เขียน:

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JC_GGG เขียน:

Hey exiles! Please remember that the forums are for civil, constructive discussion of the game. Making personal attacks or antagonistic comments would be a breach of our Code of Conduct. Thanks for your cooperation and understanding.

Some topics invite that behavior. Not every single one of us caves for it but some inevitably do. Aren't we all humans after all?

I'd highly suggest you guys lock these types of threads when escalation inevitable happens. Nothing of value will ever come out of this.

No topic invites that behaviour. [Removed by Support]
This is a forum to talk about a videogame with thousands of players. You can't expect them to agree with you, and YOU HAVE TO respect that.

Not every single one of us caves for it but some inevitably do. Aren't we all humans after all? ... Imagine a killer telling that to a judge and being forgiven just because of it. [Removed by Support]

I'll just say there's reason I've hundreds of hours in PoE2 already and a grand total of 0 in any Diablo

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ThreeBelowZero#2968 เขียน:

No topic invites that behaviour. [Removed by Support]
This is a forum to talk about a videogame with thousands of players. You can't expect them to agree with you, and YOU HAVE TO respect that.

Not every single one of us caves for it but some inevitably do. Aren't we all humans after all? ... Imagine a killer telling that to a judge and being forgiven just because of it. [Removed by Support]

See, support even moderated your post because they know this is sheer trolling.

That’s quite the imaginative stretch, comparing someone acknowledging human fallibility in heated threads to a killer asking for leniency. You might want to check your metaphorical aim. You’ve overshot reality by several galaxies.

The original point wasn’t "anger is justified", it was that certain topics predictably spiral, and suggesting early moderation is simple pattern recognition, not moral collapse. Turning that into a lecture about being a "serious problem for humanity" just makes it sound like you’re roleplaying as the last sane man on the internet.

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The_Song#4903 เขียน:

I'll just say there's reason I've hundreds of hours in PoE2 already and a grand total of 0 in any Diablo

Blizzard didn't developed Diablo games for your private use of it. Neither GGG did with PoE2. The game will be more casual friendly, wether you like it or not.

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MRXass#2413 เขียน:

The thing is mostly it's used as a sledgehammer argument saying "D3 used it, so it is bad" or "That's how D4 does it, so it is bad" the same may "D2 used to do it that way, so that's why it is good".

No....it really isn't. Neither of those statements are true. Rationale is almost always given....and almost always ignored in favor of statements like yours that reduce it to a "sledgehammer", instead of any attempt at understanding.

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ThreeBelowZero#2968 เขียน:

Blizzard didn't developed Diablo games for your private use of it. Neither GGG did with PoE2. The game will be more casual friendly, wether you like it or not.

Oh really, it'll be more casual friendly whether we like it or not, like the development of PoE 1 over the last 13 years?

Oh wait....

I do agree though, the game is not developed for any ONE person's ideal. No game is. So there will always be things that SOMEONE dislikes, and dislikes a LOT.

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Oinkaments#6390 เขียน:

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ThreeBelowZero#2968 เขียน:

No topic invites that behaviour. [Removed by Support]
This is a forum to talk about a videogame with thousands of players. You can't expect them to agree with you, and YOU HAVE TO respect that.

Not every single one of us caves for it but some inevitably do. Aren't we all humans after all? ... Imagine a killer telling that to a judge and being forgiven just because of it. [Removed by Support]

See, support even moderated your post because they know this is sheer trolling.

That’s quite the imaginative stretch, comparing someone acknowledging human fallibility in heated threads to a killer asking for leniency. You might want to check your metaphorical aim. You’ve overshot reality by several galaxies.

The original point wasn’t "anger is justified", it was that certain topics predictably spiral, and suggesting early moderation is simple pattern recognition, not moral collapse. Turning that into a lecture about being a "serious problem for humanity" just makes it sound like you’re roleplaying as the last sane man on the internet.

I think I they are moderating my message because I wrote ''you'' instead of a plural reference. I know it because I told you exactly what I wrote in plural, then made it ''personal''.

I will try again with different words and plural: people who don't tolerate other having a different opinion are dangerous and block a constructive way of speaking getting to a certain level of agreement.
I like stuff you don't like and vice versa. You can explain to me why you like it and vice versa. None of those are facts.
Then, we've got the facts: the game is not in a good spot to invite new players and have a good player retention. You might think current numbers are enough, but this is a business and should be runing smooth for at least a decade, so it has to do better for the masses while having content for the ones that play it dialy for 15 hours straight.

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ThreeBelowZero#2968 เขียน:

Then, we've got the facts: the game is not in a good spot to invite new players and have a good player retention. You might think current numbers are enough, but this is a business and should be runing smooth for at least a decade, so it has to do better for the masses while having content for the ones that play it dialy for 15 hours straight.

Those are not facts. Those are just more opinions based on almost nothing concrete. Don't confuse the two.

Retention: currently way higher than PoE 1 has EVER had. And the game isn't even released yet.

This is a business: and only the BUSINESS gets to decide what works, not your misguided opinions based on no information.

"It has to do better for the masses": says who? Ferrari doesn't do better for the masses. Luxury yachts don't do better for the masses. Football works for football lovers, but doesn't change to attract baseball lovers.

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cowmoo275#3095 เขียน:

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ThreeBelowZero#2968 เขียน:

Blizzard didn't developed Diablo games for your private use of it. Neither GGG did with PoE2. The game will be more casual friendly, wether you like it or not.

Oh really, it'll be more casual friendly whether we like it or not, like the development of PoE 1 over the last 13 years?

Oh wait....

I do agree though, the game is not developed for any ONE person's ideal. No game is. So there will always be things that SOMEONE dislikes, and dislikes a LOT.

PoE1 is casual friendly. You can legit make almost anything blast through the game once you learn the mechanics. The tedious part is learning the mechanics.
PoE2, lacking the PoE1 content, is throwing mechanics from PoE1 at players.
They are lost at the moment, but they are taking small steps in the right direction, like removing towers as a juicing method and making some maps smaller.

If you think the game isn't going in a casual friendly direction, then you aren't playing the game. I just ask for a faster pathing there and more consistent updates, because we all know how this game will end up being.

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cowmoo275#3095 เขียน:

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ThreeBelowZero#2968 เขียน:

Then, we've got the facts: the game is not in a good spot to invite new players and have a good player retention. You might think current numbers are enough, but this is a business and should be runing smooth for at least a decade, so it has to do better for the masses while having content for the ones that play it dialy for 15 hours straight.

Those are not facts. Those are just more opinions based on almost nothing concrete. Don't confuse the two.

Oh sure, man. GGG doesn't want your money. Neither Tencent. They just wanna see us having fun.

Read around the forums. -/s People are having so much fun dying, losing XP, they are simply adoring the rng for crafting despite it being better this patch, and players also think drops are very good, everything dropping is just very useful for character progress. The feedback forum is full of positive notes /s-

Are you sure I am confused? Because it seems that it is you comparing a Ferrari which is a car thousands of dollars worth for adult drivers with a 30 dollars early access videogame that is being played by ''children''.

I am pointing as fact that they are giving what we have been asking for. I just want them to go faster.
Again: read the forums and check the patch notes. They are making the game for the masses, they just have to hurry.