Your game still has A LOT to learn from Diablo games

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evilintents#8971 เขียน:

LOL... grow up, kid...

Take your own advice. An adult knows how to manage their time, and enjoyment. If you are forcing yourself to do something you DON'T enjoy....during your own free time....then there is some personal decision-making that isn't adding up.

Games are games: they can be hard or they can be easy. If you don't like hard games, you have ALL THE ADULT POWER to.....not play them. They are NEVER and CAN NEVER BE "second jobs"......that is a personal choice and personal hangup.

Part of being an adult is making decisions that work for you.

It is so funny to me how so many here try to argue D3 or D4 were/are bad.
And act like it is an absolute statement.

Maybe you don't like the game. That does not mean the game is bad. It just means you did not like it. Period.

I did not play D4 but I did play D2 and D3.
I did not have fun with D2. It was slow and tedious.
I payed D3 in its original state and every state after.

And you know what? I had a blast from start to finish. That does not mean everything was perfect. Yet I had fun.

And guess what, after the Add-on and the changes they made (remove auction house etc. and real endgame, cool legionaries with unique effects, Kanais cube, etc.), I had even more fun and I consider it the best ARPG to this time.


The same goes for many many people. You can argue all you want that D3 or D4 are/were bad. That changes nothing that they are and were the most played of their kind.
And you can argue that D4 is dead. Yet that does not change the fact that it is anything but dead. Even with more competition from POE2 and LE.


I like POE2, and I like many aspects of it. But I also hate some aspects of it. Till now, I can overlook the bad aspects, since they are improving the game and it is still early access.
And my hope is, they remove the tedious elements. If they do, good for me. If not, I will think if I still like the game enough or not.

That said, I already had my fun with POE2. But that does not mean I don't want POE3 to be the best game possible (for me).

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And my hope is, they remove the tedious elements.

No, they won't. In this context tedious = hard. So, spending 10 minutes fighting a boss is considered meaningful engaging combat. If you spend 10 seconds instead, it is no-brain

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cowmoo275#3095 เขียน:

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evilintents#8971 เขียน:

LOL... grow up, kid...

Take your own advice. An adult knows how to manage their time, and enjoyment. If you are forcing yourself to do something you DON'T enjoy....during your own free time....then there is some personal decision-making that isn't adding up.

Games are games: they can be hard or they can be easy. If you don't like hard games, you have ALL THE ADULT POWER to.....not play them. They are NEVER and CAN NEVER BE "second jobs"......that is a personal choice and personal hangup.

Part of being an adult is making decisions that work for you.

Yea but who told you that this game is mented to be hard and if so with what way?
All we know so far is that this game should be different from Poe1 but all we getting is a massive copy paste...

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a09368652#0684 เขียน:

Yea but who told you that this game is mented to be hard and if so with what way?
All we know so far is that this game should be different from Poe1 but all we getting is a massive copy paste...

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with my post. I happen to NOT find the game hard. But the person I quoted does, maybe ask him?

If you are just arbitrarily complaining without reading then catch up!

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Johny_Snow#4778 เขียน:

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And my hope is, they remove the tedious elements.

No, they won't. In this context tedious = hard. So, spending 10 minutes fighting a boss is considered meaningful engaging combat. If you spend 10 seconds instead, it is no-brain

So first of all, you don't know what I think of as tedious, since I did not provide any example. You just assumed I meant "hard" in some way and proceeded to use the example of a boss.

Second Maybe not everyone considers 10 minutes of boss fights "meaningful engaging combat".

Different people can have different associations of "meaningful" and "engaging".
For example standing still and right clicking for 10 minutes straight without doing anything else would not be "meaningful" and "engaging". At least for me. Yet based on your description, it would. Since it lasts 10 minutes and that's all you provided as the measure of it.



So to bring you up to speed, I did not mean "hard" as "tedious". There are other aspects of the game I dislike. A hard game is not necessarily tedious. I like souls-like games, and I don't find them tedious. Yet they are considered very hard.

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MRXass#2413 เขียน:

It is so funny to me how so many here try to argue D3 or D4 were/are bad.
And act like it is an absolute statement.

Maybe you don't like the game. That does not mean the game is bad. It just means you did not like it. Period.

I could say the same as your comment: that just because you LIKE D3....doesn't make it a good game.

You are on the PoE 2 forums, NOT the diablo forums. The vast majority of players who are HERE were driven away from D3 and D4 because they were "bad games".

Sure...its all subjective, I could write you an essay on all the reasons D3 was and is a BAD GAME. In much the same way your post tries to say why you liked D3. There is even more to say about D4.


But again....you are in the PoE forums. PoE 1 grew up as a direct competitor to D3. By extension, PoE 2 exists as a direct competitor to D4. OBVIOUSLY the majority of folks choosing to be HERE over THERE have feelings on those games. And those feelings ARE absolute. That's how polarizing the two games are. They are opposite ends of the arpg spectrum.


Consider the absolute positioning of opinions if you were in a forum of only vegetarians, and start talking about eating meat.

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cowmoo275#3095 เขียน:

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MRXass#2413 เขียน:

It is so funny to me how so many here try to argue D3 or D4 were/are bad.
And act like it is an absolute statement.

Maybe you don't like the game. That does not mean the game is bad. It just means you did not like it. Period.

I could say the same as your comment: that just because you LIKE D3....doesn't make it a good game.

You are on the PoE 2 forums, NOT the diablo forums. The vast majority of players who are HERE were driven away from D3 and D4 because they were "bad games".

Sure...its all subjective, I could write you an essay on all the reasons D3 was and is a BAD GAME. In much the same way your post tries to say why you liked D3. There is even more to say about D4.


But again....you are in the PoE forums. PoE 1 grew up as a direct competitor to D3. By extension, PoE 2 exists as a direct competitor to D4. OBVIOUSLY the majority of folks choosing to be HERE over THERE have feelings on those games. And those feelings ARE absolute. That's how polarizing the two games are. They are opposite ends of the arpg spectrum.

Only I did not say it is/was good. I said that I consider it the best and, just because someone did not like it, does not mean it is bad. There's a difference. But not to argue semantics.

The thing is mostly it's used as a sledgehammer argument saying "D3 used it, so it is bad" or "That's how D4 does it, so it is bad" the same may "D2 used to do it that way, so that's why it is good".

People don't say, they did not like it in D4, they use the argument of "D4 is bad and D4 did something this way, ergo it must be bad"
That leads to the huge discussions here, where one side argues D4 is bad ergo, don't do ANYTHING D4 does and to EVERYTHING D2 does, because it was D2.
And the other side says, I liked XY or I'd like XY and gets bombarded.
And I don't like that, because most are just trying to improve the game.

Of course it is in everyone's right to argue why they would or would not like the change, but most discussions don't lead anywhere, and I think that's sad.


(So this part is not directly towards you more like a general statement)
And to everyone who says "If you like D3/D4 so much just go play those games":

Most do, because they don't stay on one game that long and same goes the other way, if you liked D2 so much, why don't you go play D2.

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MRXass#2413 เขียน:

It is so funny to me how so many here try to argue D3 or D4 were/are bad.

I'm sorry, but we can debate the "fun is subjective" angle all day, it doesn’t change the fact that for the overwhelming majority of PoE1 and PoE2 players, D3 and D4 are the embodiment of mediocrity.

And honestly, D3 goes beyond just being bad, it's straight up treason. It’s the kind of game that makes you wonder if it was intentionally designed to crush the spirit of anyone who actually loved ARPGs. It’s like watching your favorite universe get gutted, the same way Disney hollowed out Star Wars with Episodes 7-8-9. I’d bet a lot of money that the Star Wars sequels were a cultural demoralization campaign. It’s no wonder the world feels so divided after being force-fed that kind of propaganda.

I bring up Star Wars because it sits on the same level of betrayal as D3. When SW8 released, I genuinely had to talk to real people just to confirm that some of those reviews (42% liked it) weren’t an elaborate troll operation. And sure enough, a few of them were real. It was rare, but real. Then came an epiphany : some people have been conditioned to accept mediocrity so thoroughly that it almost feels like psychological programming.

There’s a reason people lose it when someone shows up on the PoE 2 forums singing praises of D3. On this forum, it represents everything we don’t want our genre to become.

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MRXass#2413 เขียน:

Only I did not say it is/was good. I said that I consider it the best and, just because someone did not like it, does not mean it is bad.

That’s exactly the kind of statement I mean. "I consider it the best, and your dislike doesn’t make it bad". On the surface it sounds reasonable, but it’s stealth rage-bait. It’s phrased to look conciliatory while practically daring people to explode, a neat little provocation dressed up as opinion. Posts like that aren’t conversation-starters, they’re thread derailers.

A lot of people lost it too quick and didn't stick to the thread.

Let me be clear:

I never mentioned D3. I mentioned D2 as a reference, and D4 as a comparison. Why D4? Because it started being like PoE2 in terms of making a grind of almost everything (aspects had to be found 1 by 1, getting to level 100 was a slog, etc) but time and players have spoke and MOST OF THEM want the same: to play a damn game, not to have a job with cool graphics.

Diablo games ARE GOOD. All of them, including THE ONES I DIDN'T LIKE. You don't like it? Fine. That doesn't change the fact that people played them back in its day, and STILL play them nowadays.
Please don't act as if PoE1 didn't have element of Diablo 1, 2 AND 3. Neither try to deny that PoE2 is directly pointing at D2. And that's why I think the game lost its identity.

ARPG games are games TO BLAST through their content. Don't deny that neither because that is simply a fact.
How do you recognize it? EASY! Look at mechanics like Breach, Expedition, the most recent added Abyss, Ritual... Oh wait, those are all mechanics of PoE2.
So yeah, I don't think they are planning to release a 1.0 game with meaningful, slow paced, methodic combat while throwing at players hordes of white mobs with a rare in the middle. And please don't look away when you juice your maps and Atlas, adding even more mobs. The game doesn't suggest you to blast, it demands you to do it in order to be an endgame player.

They will end up adding ruthless like PoE1 just so those dudes playing PoE2 as a job stop complaining, but the main game HAS TO BE for the masses, because some players are younger than Diablo 2 and they couldn't care less about how nostalgic some of you want to be about that game.